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Wow. I'm speechless. I don't worry too much about old Ted, but what about his wife and boys? Imagine having your dad disgraced this way, move the family away from all their friends to some homeless shelter/rehab facility in Phoenix, and you call that a life?

My "spiritual handlers" tell me he's a schmuck.

I sent two e-mails: one to the Colorado TV station he sent his "request" to and one to the church he will be "housed" at during his schooling. Free apartment, private school for the kids, both parents in school---yeah, I feel like funding this.
This is an unbelievable request---obviously this man has some money in the bank. He should be using HIS assets to fund his and his wifes schooling. And, the private school his kids are still attending.
They're attending school simutaneously!! Why doesn't she work during his schooling and why doesn't he work part time during his schooling?
He obviously feels entitled. Get a job.

Haggard is the poster child for post-WWII evangelicalism - a child of its own creation. We evangelicals have been "healing the wound lightly" for decades and we're actually surprised when our well-heeled CEO-shepherds with their personality cults in train fall from the pedestal that our offerings and sick desire for approval have gotten us. Amazed? Nope. A blind man could've seen this one coming.

Well said, Matt. I think you nailed it.

For what it's worth, before making too many judgments on this one should wait until it is confirmed that he is actually the one who sent the email. These can be easily forged and it may be that the "sex offender from Hawaii" with the "defunct charity" (or someone else) is looking to make some quick cash.

Jeremy

[Response from David Neff]
Jeremy,

I just got an e-mail from Tak Landrock at Channel 13 assuring me the letter is genuine. He spoke to Ted Haggard about it Saturday night.

David

Ouch.

Call me a cynic, but why does the ministry seem to attract those who want a handout? It is nauseating. Please - don't enable this man by donating money. He needs to find gainful employment, like all of the rest of us. It is another black eye to Christ and His church. This man has no shame.

Our pastor just was on this subject this past Sunday. Who were the people out to get rid of Jesus? The Priests!! This has been going on the whole time of life. Satan uses them, and instead of us being in touch with Jesus through the Bible and reading it we are depending on the preachers to do it for us. We should be going to Church to Worship Jesus and not the pastors. It is sad but Satan comes in all forms. Some preachers do not even know that they are Satans choice at the time. Some have not been schooled properly to preach the Bible.

It's interesting to me that he is associating so quickly with another man (the registered sex offender who fondled two young men) who also apparently has same-sex feelings. IMHO, Haggard would be so much better off spiritually if he just lived his life privately, not asking for money or support...and the body of Christ, I believe, would be better off to. What a sick man, using Christians like he has.

Sheryl, you have made an incisive point. As James warned, "Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we shall all incur a stricter judgment."

Betty

Andrea makes a good point. There's a reason the Scriptures demand that a man who desires to shepherd/oversee God's people not be "greedy for money." How would one know this? Ask them? Who would answer, "Yes, you're right. I'm a lover of money." I think the answer might reside in our conception of the pastor. Perhaps working at something where they actually have to earn an honest living (outside the church/parachurch) would help us judge a little. He who is faithful in small things, right?

Sheryl, it turns out that , Paul Huberty - the sex offender who is the chief officer for Families With A Mission - was twice convicted of sexual offenses against women. The first was raping his a 17 year old foster daughter and fondling himself in front of two women when he was in the military. The second offense was in 2004 in Hawaii. Particulars of the second offense are unclear, but Huberty is forbidden by the terms of his probation from setting foot on the grounds of the christian academy where the offense occurred, he is not allowed to be a foster parent or guardian of a minor, he cannot possess pornography and he is required to submit to periodic lie-detector tests.

Haggard and his wife should both get jobs-- real ones. What will they do with psychology degrees? Get better at deception? To enter practice in that field one usually needs more than one degree and some sort of certification.
I am losing my house after a divorce; should I send a plea for money?

What has he done with all his money in such a short time? Maybe he really is hooked on meth. If I had $136,000 it would las me for at least 5 years, because I would not spend it on massages and meth.

Ruth, good point. They should both get jobs. The University of Phoenix was designed for working adults in the first place.

So many prominent Christians get into such big trouble, from paedophile priests, rampant hypocrites like Haggard, or blatantly corrupt tele-evangelists. It is not a coincidence. These people are all enabled by well meaning people who have abdicated their responsibility to face the world for what it is. When will people wake up and realise that when you make life simple by replacing the search for truth with faith, you also disable your own ability to make sound judgements.

Steve,

You're right on target. The University of Phoenix designed their programs specifically to be either adult continuing education or fast-track degree completion programs, both of which were tailored for working, non-traditional college students.

There is no real reason why the Haggards cannot simultaneously work and participate in a course of study offered by the University of Phoenix. I seriously doubt that much -- or any -- of their study will require their physical presence in Phoenix, AZ.

Wow! I am so un-impressed with every single comment on this page. Without judging all of YOU, which YOU all are so good at, what a bunch of hateful, vidicative, vengeful, users of the name "Christian" YOU ALL ARE..

I am hurt by the lack of compassion in the Body of Christ for Ted. I call him "Ted" personally, because I know him personally, and he was our family's pastor from 1987 - 1997. I speak from some level of experience - not with his sin - but with his loving pastoral gift. He did possibly more than any man in the U.S. to foster unity in the Body of Christ. He constantly reached out to others in the faith. He is gifted, and talented, and flawed like we all are, right? New Life Church was built by the Lord THROUGH Ted Haggard. He should not be thown out like an old rug when it becomes worn and frayed. For God's sake, brothers and sisters.... I sense in my spirit now that I'm preaching to deaf ears. But Ted deserves better than he got. He earned more (including money) than he got. end of sermonette.

Steve

WHATEVER!

We are advised in the Bible not to judge, but we also need to use the common sense that God gave us, and that we acquire after being on this mortal coil for some time. The reason why so many of these Christian leaders get away with so much is that we are trained not to judge, and therefore, they get a "pass." It is a dilemmma, but we need to use the brain God gave us when it comes to these type of matters. We need to try to prevent this arrogant behavior from happening in the future by showing these people that they will not be unnecessarily rewarded for their bad behavior.

Enough with the celebrity cult mentality in the body of Christ. We turns off more people than it helps (other than the personalities).

Those who live in glass house. I in no way condone what he has done in the past or now. But just like everyone I have free will and choice's he has nothing coming from me. And as for all the judging of his behavior not my worry. God's got that.

Mike, I am happy that you were blessed by God through the ministry of Ted Haggard 10 years ago. But I am afraid that you are the one wearing blinders on this one. Yesterday's walk with the Lord will not cut it today. Each day is new and fresh that requires new faith, and new grace and new mercy every morning.
Ted walked on the dark side of life for a long time, deceiving those who trusted him and looked up to him as a role model. And in the end he has discredited and undermined all that he worked so hard to do for the Kingdom. And now he is just compounding those errors by not seeking wise counsel before he plows ahead with foolish plans. The book of Proverbs warns us against hanging out with impulsive fools who disregard counsel.
Be thankful for your past growth. But don't fall into Ted's errors: live day by day in humble obedience and grace.

It’s lack of compassion for the body of Christ to not sensitively and lovingly address the negative behaviors of those in Christian leadership. What is the body of Christ suppose to do, turn a blind eye and let leaders living in sin to continue to live a life of deception?
Ted’s past behavior of participating in some inappropriate behavior with a male prostitute followed by his public denial of it rightfully disqualified him from Christian leadership.
I presume that as part of the resignation process Ted, at some point, agreed to submit to the authority of a group of overseers.
According to this article, it now seems like Ted is sidestepping the overseers because he publicly requested donations without consulting with them first.
In my opinion, those who desire to be any kind of Christian leader need to first show that they are willing to submit to authority long before they are given that privilege. And for those leaders who have broken trust, by not being faithful in their public and personal lives, a substantial period of time is logically necessary to demonstrate to themselves and others that they again can be trustworthy.
In response to another comment - If anyone accomplishes great things (building churches, unifying the body of Christ), it is the Lord who is the only One who should rightfully get all the credit because everything comes from Him – our gifts, talents, strength, health, opportunities.

Terry, I'm all for understanding, forgiveness and supporting people, whatever their crime, but I am not for ignoring reality and facilitating further corruption and abuse.

Haggard built a cult of personality so strong that people like you still defend him, despite it being revealed for all to see that he is a hypocrite of epic proportions and played you all for fools, taking your money, time and goodwill.

It is completely obvious now that everything he did was to further his own power and agenda. I don't want to see Haggard suffer, but the man is sick, and if we don't recognise that then we are condemning ourselves to suffer. Taking hard drugs and paying for sex with a young man isn't even the main problem. He promoted hate against homosexuals and those who refused to subscribe to his world view, yet it turns out now that he doesn't even subscribe to that world view. He was (is) a cult leader with a huge degree of influence over well-meaning but gullible people who prefer to live in la-la land rather than face reality. This is what faith leads to. Faith, by definition, is the suppression of reason. Suppressing reason makes you an easy target to be conned. There are some lovely aspects to Christianity, but the suppression of reason and the 'us and them' sanctimoniousness that it usually leads to are not good for anyone.

Saying you are right because God is on your side doesn't make it so, not matter how many times you repeat it. Just like saying 'without judging...' doesn't make what follows without judgement.

> Without judging all of YOU, which YOU all are so good at,
> what a bunch of hateful, vidicative, vengeful, users of the
> name "Christian" YOU ALL ARE..

ROFL!

Dear Friends,

Ted Haggard has failed his congregation gravely and above all he has failed God. To solicit for money after he has received so much from God the way he did is to add salt to open wounds. His behaviour does not reflect a men who should have repented sincerely from his heart. The best thing to do now is to do right. To do right for his family is to rebuild his integrity and trust as a husband and as a father. To rebuild his role as a Christian to his previous congregation and Christian community he ought to scale down his lifestyle and live within his means and hopely show some genuine fruits of repentance. Before God he must be true and honest with himself for Ted Hagard will one day give an account to Him for all that he has one . . . so must all of us! Matthew 7:1-4, "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?"

One of the professional hazards of being a pastor is having to support their family after a crisis in the church. It does seem reasonable to help a pastor transition to secular employment since he will probably never pastor again. We have a system that has pastors relying on the church to support their families and a transition for the sake of the family is permissible and even loving to his family.

It's Labour Day and I have too much (blog reading) time on my hands.

It seems to me the paradox of "not judging yet discerning" is not an easy one to sort out.

As far as (evanglical) media personalities are concerned "If you live by the media, don't be surprise if you die by the media."

Who is Landrock at channel 13 to be the laison between CT and Ted Haggard? Aren't they the NBC affilliate that broke the story? And isn't NBC's Brokaw the one who, one year previous to the scandal, did a special on Ted Haggard? My daughter said she wouldn't have known who Ted was if Brokaw hadn't spent so much time with him on the story. The timing of the news on it was staged politically. I think Brokaw knew all about it when he did his story way back when. Wake up people. The left hate christians. Can't we all just get along? How about talking to Ted yourself, Neff?

Sorry. I guess I look at Haggard as a King David. Nathan did have to send him a message from God to correct him. I still adore King David as a brother, I don't disown him, but his child (dream, ministry)did have to die to him. And then there was Solomon who asked for wisdom instead of riches and built the temple. I believe Haggard has a Solomon to birth yet. May his end be better than the old Sol. Sorry for my harsh comments,Nathan.

You Christians never cease to amaze me at what disgusting hypocrites and simpletons you are. Reverend Ted is not an atypical example of a Christian; rather he is an all too common example of an evangelical Christian. Evangelicals vary by degree not kind. Every one of them I have met is a Reverend Ted in some way. You all are a mess in one way or another whether it be drugs, alcohol, sexual obsessions and degeneracy, mental defectiveness or just plain old nuts and not very bright. What you all have in common is the belief in this mythical being named Jesus that allows you to keep your demons at bay just enough to function in society. The thing is a leopard can't change its spots and you are and always still the same defective personality you have always been. What you all have in common is a capacity for grotesque hypocrisy, a phony enraptured silly grin on your faces, and no real capacity for friendship or genuine honest or depth of emotion. You all go around talking about love of your fellow man, but the truth of the matter is you don't want to touch your fellow man, except maybe with a 10 foot stick. You talk a good game about morals and ethics and love, but you are no more capable of brotherhood than a cockroach. Your every utterance is nothing more than self-serving self aggrandizement. When given the opportunity to do the right thing in your daily lives inevitably you will not, and more often than not will plant a knife in your fellow man's back. You don't have to worry though; you don't need approbation or forgiveness from your fellow man, just from Jesus, and that's all that counts.

Kevin

And yes, I've made a judgment about you people based on my experiences with you. Unlike you however, I'm not twisted and self-deluded with mental contortions thrust upon you by your ancient cult. Making judgments is normal and impossible not to do. I don't have to preface my judgments with some nonsense about being non-judgmental because it is Jesus' privilege to make judgments.

Ted Haggard needs to get a job. He doesn't need any money; he has enuf. He is a shameless hypocrite and God wants us to see that. Be harmless as dove but wise as serpents. Jesus called hypocrites out, we must as well. I follow Jesus, not man.

A lot of water has passed under the bridge since we last met.
Good luck!

Unbelievable! Once again, a minister comes across as wanting to spend "someone else's money."

In response to Terry (of Aug 30) . . . I do not doubt for a minute that God used Ted Haggard to minister to you, your family, your congregation, or, more broadly, to the Body of Christ or to the world. But I do not agree at all with your apparent understanding of the biblical admonition not to judge. We are, after all, called to be wise and to carefully discern. None of us is to think of himself or herself as morally superior to Ted Haggard, nor more deserving of God's love. Tha would be to be wrongfully judgmental. Avoiding that judgmental posture does NOT mean one cannot be critical of Ted Haggard's choices past or present. While you may perceive this kind of judgment in the posts above yours, I think you are not carefully sorting critical comments from judgmental ones.

Didn't Jesus say, it was He, Christ Himself, who would build His church?(Matthew 16:18) Then if the credit for the church goes to Ted Haggard, it should not surprise us that Ted Haggard's church had a problem.

Beyond that and as to his true identification with Jesus, if he was a true believer and faithful messenger, as so many thousands must have believed (and therefore they may be the guilty ones of having turned him into another "famous" man--I did not know of him--I say if he was a true believer and faithful messenger of the cross, then let us all remember that Satan makes a dart board out of believers. It is just too bad that the first fiery dart of temptation did not sting enough for him to see the problem and escape from being snared. As for me, I do know that "to whom much is given, of him shall much be required." Powerful and somewhat very awesome--scary--words in Luke 12.

Hey CT, while KRDO may have posted the letter on its website, I question the propriety of your publication doing so. I expect a higher standard I guess. The letter is simply too personal with respect to the children's lives, how to contact them, the fact that they go to a Christian school, play football, etc.. I think the better choice would have been to blog and quote freely from the letter while leaving out the link with the information about the children. Would you consider removing the link out of respect for the children's privacy?

There's been plenty of water under the bridge since we met last.
Cheerio!

I am a full time nursing student and working part time with nothing in the bank. How do you all think I feel when I read news like this?

Has anyone taken the time to consider that maybe, just maybe spiritual warfare had something to do with Pastor Ted Haggard being 'taken out' ? The Bible is very clear, we are in a war.

Sadly, I don't think Evangelicals really believe that.

Do you think it was coincidence that this was all revealed right before Righteous Legislation was about to be voted on? Ephesians 6 tells us to 'stand against the strategies and tricks of the devil.' Does anyone realize the REALITY of the war that is ACTUALLY going on here?

I'm not saying Ted Haggard, or anyone who sins in such a despicable way should get a free pass and be able to shrug their shoulders and say, "The devil made me do it." but you all need to wake up and understand that there were REAL demons influencing him to act out. There is such a thing as a spirit of homosexuality. There is such a thing as a spirit of Lust.

There are levels of principalities and powers.

Think about it; the higher the target (in this case a Pastor of a mega church at a National level) the higher the assignment from the enemy.

This was a wake up call, no doubt about it. But instead of roasting Ted Haggard on a skewer maybe it's time we get into the presence of God, get on our knees and stay there until these bondages have been broken off of our leaders (through prayer) before it's too late and this happens again.

Who could've imagined that we'd meet here?
Be seeing you.

Ted deserves all our help. I can't believe that the body of Christ would not stay united together under the temptation of satan. Glory to Him.

http://www.betonjesus.com/ted-haggard.html

Well Naturally the answer to this request should be a big fat no. Duh.

this man/thing is an abomination to humanity. I feel very sorry for his son's, they most likely have no idea who their father is. he is one of the worst people on earth, right there with child molesters, serial killers, and rapist. This man needs a very serious beating...

I love the comments on here and agree with those Ted haters!! We should put nails in his hands and feet for the sins he has committed. The only problem is we have to ensure that ALL SINNERS are nailed right next to him. Anyone who has ever lied or broke GOD's laws should join in the pain and suffering. After all, isn't this the the type of behavior of GOOD CHRISTIANS!!! If it is, I do not want any part of a religion that condemns mistakes (big or small) from a man or woman. With this type of christian love and acceptance who needs JESUS. I am quite sure all the people that have condemned Ted have never fallen from grace and is assured (by their perfection) a seat next to GOD. I am not a religous person nor am I perfect, but I do know that I would rather follow someone who has made mistakes and learned from them, then to follow a man seemingly flawless (Prescandal TED) who continues to hide behind a bible and a cross. Good Luck to all of you and I hope you can forgive others and yourselves. Thats all. Chance

I found this place looking for a way to email Ted Haggard a letter of encouragement.
Why is it so bad he's asked for money? Is he forcing anyone? I guess everyone would have rathered he robbed someone so another big news story could come out.
Yes this man had a high position and he's at war with an addiction.
I just think it's sick that they chose to kick him out of the church.
Is that God's love? I think not.
Just like Jesus said "Let those without sin cast the first stone".
People are not to be sitting in the judgement seat!!!!

This man hasn't forced himself on any man. If his own family can forgive him then what's the problem? Do you not think his wife of all people sees and knows him in a more real Godly light then a bunch of haters!?

I wish I knew how to contact Ted Haggard b/c I do not think he should be outcast because he sinned. He is human and should not be ostracized just because his sin was exposed. What if everyone's sin was exposed to the world!

If anyone can give me a e-mail address for him I would be greatful who are we to judge and tell someone that they are forbiden form ministry. So your sin isnt exposed and his is. If u did not know we are talking about a sin that God does not remember becuase when we ask for forgiveness he throws that sin in the sea of forgetfulness THE CHURCH IS IN A SICK STATE when we cannot forgive and move on whoever wrote this article make sure your closet is empty

Guess what Ted is going through must be pretty devastating. Why folks think that homosexuality is a disease or a psyhcological problem is a misnomer. It is a disability. In most cases you are born with it. It is not curable it is something that you act on or avoid altogether. If you act on it you are discriminated by society, if you don't then you are the loneliest person on earth because you cannot be yourself. It is horrible either way. It is a cross we have to bare. As Christians what ever happened to forgiveness? Why are we so quick to judge others I though that was God's territory. How many of us actually get what we read in our bible? We are all children of God regardless of who we are, what we do or believe in. None of us are perfect we just try never getting there. Come on folks lets chill out,sure the man showed his hipocracy but he is human and as humans we error.How many of us have ever sinned????? No sin is good. Why condemn the man.I feel he has humbled himself quite a bit. I feel this is a test of God to see actully how much Christian we really are. Imagine how much his family has suffered and been humiliated with this ordeal and they had no idea what was happening until it happened. I feel the suffering has been vindicated now it is time for forgiveness. I don't feel that he should be getting donations, we need to pray for the man not critize him.I know he is definitely wandering in his desert for his betrayal. He will never get cured of homosexuality he will just have to suppress his feeling until his dying days. I wish i could be able to e-mail him so that I can give him some advise to help him help himself back to win back the trust of friends and collegues if that is possible. People don't know what he is going though unless you know you've been in his shoes. WE all need to be careful with what we hold in our hearts it could happen to us. God Help him.

Sick, twisted and a sign of a fake. A 135 thousand dollar package and he needs to send out letters asking for money. Why not sell his house and learn to live like the rest of us. If he was really a broken man he would not be out trying to take advantage of Christians who are generous, caring believers. He should be in jail for being a fake. Yes I believe that God is forgiving, but repentance means a change, not just changing one sin for another.

Dale

God, you people amaze me. Someone you once embraced, now exiled for doing what many of you sought to him for counciling. You make me want to vomit. Kevin--I'm online with you...everybody else, have a damn beer and chill the fuck out. Good God, I mean, most of you came to christ in a not so honorable way, right? Follow jesus and ignore his teachings, shout the bible, but never read it. Yell at the muslims for not putting thier children in a jacket in the rain, but raise yours to be socially retarded never having read Catch-22 or fearing The Wizard of Oz. You people truly are the bain of society, and I'm ashamed to say that you are trying to accuse the muslim community of taking over the country when you are the ones who are crying that our president has a bizzare middle name. Well, gas the fire all you want, but I want to hire Rev. Haggard. Anybody have his email (unless you think we're going to start a movement to legealize meth---it's for womens cancer support you arrogant ass)?

I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE KEEP GIVING MONEY TO THE MINISTRIES .YOU ARE ALL BEING FOOLED BY THE PEOPLE WHO RUNS IT.PREACHERS AND EVERYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED IN THIS BUSINESS ARE TAKING ALL YOUR DONATION AND HAVING A GOOD LIFE,BIG MANSION,LUXURIOUS CARS,MONEY.WAKE UP PEOPLE,STOP GIVING DONATION TO THIS PEOPLE.ALL YOUR MONEY GOES TO THEM NOT TO HELP THE POOR AND THE NEEDY.IF A PERSON WANT TO PREACH THROUGH HIS HEART IT SHOULD BE FREE,JESUS NEVER ASKED MONEY WHEN HE PREACHED.

Imagine being gay, or bisexual, and wanting to be a part of a group that shares most of his beliefs and values, the important being "caring for all" and being cast aside because you don't fit sexually. The church is silly, the same book that casts aside gay activity also casts aside women who are having periods. Women, let me ask you this, would you agree to sit in another room, away from beds, chairs and clothing so that you don't bleed on things and get the devil all over them? Its so silly, take care of people, believe and work hard. Don't toss others in to the depths because you think you're better. Behave.

From:
Married for 9 years heterosexual OPENMINDED male. Watch your own flock!

E-mail Ted Haggar
To : Pastor Ted Haggar

Greater men have sinned in there walk with God and have been forgiven by God. As we know and have read in His Holy word. We also know that what God has given,is never taken away again by Him. You will be a Man of God forever.

As a Man of God you are not perfect just like the rest of us. Even though I have not done as you have. I know that there is no small or big sins, but all are the same

I know my Lord well enough to know that he Love you ever so dearly and has forgive all when you had asked him to.
Is not sin just missing the target that God has set before us. Why then do the leaders of our churches deal so harshly when one of our bothers falls in battle?

( Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.)

Who are we to judge you? We as leaders in the Church have served Him by His Grace and not by our own power or Righteousness. We are weak and He is strong. Amen ? You have helped so many others Rev. Haggar.

Are we not to help you now in you time of trails. I personally will not judge you as the world has or even as some churches have. Nor will I speak against you in anyway. You are a confessed sinner and a confessed Christian as we all are.

I have not fallen like in your confession, but I have read studied and reread over and over the Bible including Romans Chapter l.
I understand the sin more then most, because I am a American living abroad in the Netherlands. Where a very large percentage of the people have experience some kind of homosexual act in their life times and are trying to recover from it as Christians.

I know you are a brother in Christ Jesus and the strong help the weaker in their time of need. I believe we should all read, 1 Corinthians Chapter 13 again. For all should be trying to immolate Jesus our Lord and savior. God is Love, James. Amen !

I do not see the Love or any Bible understanding in the churches that are persecuting you. In stead I see a personal attack on you and your family. It is one thing to step down and a very different matter to be persecute. Possibly they is a greedy person or persons looking for personal gain or advantage.(Church Politics and Not of God.) God be the Judge. Amen

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Today it is you Ted, who will fall tomorrow ? Are we all fools not to know the Spirit that dwells in us or what some of the devices of the evil one are.

In a battle many soldiers are wounded severely and fall. Do the other soldiers fighting next to them spit and kick them well he is down? Or do they help and try to protect the fallen from any further harm.

I say to you sir that your Church has failed you and I rebuke them (telling them to stop) in the Name of Jesus Christ and I pray for your total recovery and may our Lord give you strength and Blessings and for your family.

I believe this is the End time, I believe when the last soul comes into the body of Christ. We will be Taken Up!

I also believe those who do not have forgiveness for their brother and sister’s in Christ. May well be left behind and then they will see the real sin and understand the shame of a unforgiving Heart.

May God have mercy on us all, Amen

God Bless you and you family Brother Ted Haggar

Signed
Rev. G. Manzanares

Stichting New Life Ministries the Netherlands
www.newlife-icbt.com

Preacher3@gmail.com

Ps. I believe that you should stay in the ministry.
Possibly helping of others in the world. Not many have you anointing or talent and experience and many are Christians are in need of you help,talent and anointing.
Please continue using it. In Jesus Name. Amen

E-mail Ted Haggar
To : Pastor Ted Haggar

Greater men have sinned in there walk with God and have been forgiven by God. As we know and have read in His Holy word. We also know that what God has given,is never taken away again by Him. You will be a Man of God forever.

As a Man of God you are not perfect just like the rest of us. Even though I have not done as you have. I know that there is no small or big sins, but all are the same

I know my Lord well enough to know that he Love you ever so dearly and has forgive all when you had asked him to.
Is not sin just missing the target that God has set before us. Why then do the leaders of our churches deal so harshly when one of our bothers falls in battle?

( Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.)

Who are we to judge you? We as leaders in the Church have served Him by His Grace and not by our own power or Righteousness. We are weak and He is strong. Amen ? You have helped so many others Rev. Haggar.

Are we not to help you now in you time of trails. I personally will not judge you as the world has or even as some churches have. Nor will I speak against you in anyway. You are a confessed sinner and a confessed Christian as we all are.

I have not fallen like in your confession, but I have read studied and reread over and over the Bible including Romans Chapter l.
I understand the sin more then most, because I am a American living abroad in the Netherlands. Where a very large percentage of the people have experience some kind of homosexual act in their life times and are trying to recover from it as Christians.

I know you are a brother in Christ Jesus and the strong help the weaker in their time of need. I believe we should all read, 1 Corinthians Chapter 13 again. For all should be trying to immolate Jesus our Lord and savior. God is Love, James. Amen !

I do not see the Love or any Bible understanding in the churches that are persecuting you. In stead I see a personal attack on you and your family. It is one thing to step down and a very different matter to be persecute. Possibly they is a greedy person or persons looking for personal gain or advantage.(Church Politics and Not of God.) God be the Judge. Amen

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Today it is you Ted, who will fall tomorrow ? Are we all fools not to know the Spirit that dwells in us or what some of the devices of the evil one are.

In a battle many soldiers are wounded severely and fall. Do the other soldiers fighting next to them spit and kick them well he is down? Or do they help and try to protect the fallen from any further harm.

I say to you sir that your Church has failed you and I rebuke them (telling them to stop) in the Name of Jesus Christ and I pray for your total recovery and may our Lord give you strength and Blessings and for your family.

I believe this is the End time, I believe when the last soul comes into the body of Christ. We will be Taken Up!

I also believe those who do not have forgiveness for their brother and sister’s in Christ. May well be left behind and then they will see the real sin and understand the shame of a unforgiving Heart.

May God have mercy on us all, Amen

God Bless you and you family Brother Ted Haggar

Signed
Rev. G. Manzanares

Stichting New Life Ministries the Netherlands
www.newlife-icbt.com

Preacher3@gmail.com

Ps. I believe that you should stay in the ministry.
Possibly helping of others in the world. Not many have you anointing or talent and experience and many are Christians are in need of you help,talent and anointing.
Please continue using it. In Jesus Name. Amen

It saddens me the way the church has treated Haggard. They kicked him out in his greatest time of need. All the people that he has brought to God just turn away from Haggard when he stumbles. Every man is a sinner no one is perfect the bible tells us this. So why do we all expect him to be perfect when the bible has already told us he was not. My heart goes out to Ted Haggard and i pray that every christian will frogive him the way God already has.

Ted is forgiven. The church he helped organize and the people that followed Christ through this church were embarrassed & hurt by his behavior. They need to let go of this embarrassment and hurt and have Mr. Haggard back into their lives. What would Jesus do? He would forgive. Anything else said is just a waste of breath.

I believe you are supposed to forgive no matter what, I also think that alot of people out there are worse off than Mr. Haggard due to the fact they think they have done no wrong and have obvious never hit rock bottom. I don't know this man from the man in the moon but I know he like myself is one of Gods children and we are supposed to pray, forgive, and help our fellow man when they need it and it sounds like he and his family need help...I know that God doesn't put no more on you than you can handle and feel Mr. Haggard will come out of this with just fine and I pray that he gets the help no only money, but for what is going on within...