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November 27, 2007
Anyone Want to Talk About Health Care?
It’s time for Christian leaders to tackle the issue.
In an editorial published last Sunday, The New York Times explored what it called "the worst long-term fiscal crisis facing the nation" - rising health care costs. The piece provided a helpful survey of causes and possible solutions, but no silver bullet. As the editorial concluded, "A wide range of contributing factors needs to be tackled simultaneously, with no guarantee they will have a substantial impact any time soon."
The most arresting part of the piece was its summary of the United States' health care dilemma, laid out in the opening paragraphs:
The relentless, decades-long rise in the cost of health care has left many Americans struggling to pay their medical bills. Workers complain that they cannot afford high premiums for health insurance. Patients forgo recommended care rather than pay the out-of-pocket costs. Employers are cutting back or eliminating health benefits, forcing millions more people into the ranks of the uninsured. And state and federal governments strain to meet the expanding costs of public programs like Medicaid and Medicare.Health care costs are far higher in the United States than in any other advanced nation, whether measured in total dollars spent, as a percentage of the economy, or on a per capita basis. And health costs here have been rising significantly faster than the overall economy or personal incomes for more than 40 years, a trend that cannot continue forever.
Indeed, rising health care costs have become a burden not just for the working poor, but for many middle-class Americans. It's an issue that's already on the minds of voters - in a New York Times-CBS News poll, Iowa Democrats likely to attend the January 3 caucuses called it their top priority - and it's going to gain more public attention as the presidential campaigns continue. Democratic candidates will make sure of that.
"I don't think you can run for president today without having a universal health care plan that covers everybody," Hillary Clinton said recently, "because we want to go into a general election with that issue against the Republicans."
That Democrats plan to make health care reform a major part of their platform in 2008 - and that Republicans will be forced to respond - is unsurprising, perhaps. But what is surprising is how little evangelical Christian leaders have said about the issue.
In March, the president of the Southern Baptists' Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, Richard Land, supported a call to re-authorize and expand the federally funded State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) so that every child in America could have health coverage - a proposal that seemed relatively uncontroversial, at least until President Bush opposed SCHIP's expansion on the contention that it would move middle-class children off of private coverage and onto government coverage.
The social-action ministry Sojourners has also called for health care reform, but its reach among evangelicals is limited. Why aren't more Christian leaders speaking up?
In the last several years, the National Association of Evangelicals has denounced torture and mistreatment of India's Dalits. It has also cautiously supported creation care and released a comprehensive public policy statement entitled, "For the Health of the Nation." The statement lists such areas of concern as freedom of religion and conscience, protection for families and children, protection of all human life, compassion and justice for the poor, global human rights, the pursuit of peace and restraint of violence, and biblically based creation care. Ironically, for a document called "For the Health of the Nation," it makes only passing mention of health care. Yet the average American is more immediately affected by rising health care costs than by, say, whether or not their community recycles.
No doubt evangelicals are as split on health care reform as they are on many other issues. But if we want to present a fully orbed vision for public policy, then we need to start engaging more deeply with the issue of affordable, adequate medical care - and soon. A community grounded in God's Word and dedicated to proclaiming the One who came to save the sick, the poor, and the needy ought to have something to contribute to the rising discussion.
Comments
It's a tricky issue, because most evangelicals have aligned themselves with the Republican party, and they simply don't want a universal healthcare option.
So, it's either go with the Republicans on their socially conservative agenda but private, mandated health insurance, or go with the Democratic platform with their more liberal social agenda and universal healthcare.
Posted By: Rick H | November 27, 2007 5:41 PM
Faith communities and families are deeply involved in the health care fight at the grassroots level. PICO National Network is a non-partisan network of grassroots faith-based organizations. As part of our efforts to revitalize communities and strengthen families we're working to bring religious voices to support the need to provide families with access to affordable health coverage. More information is available on our website at www.piconetwork.org.
Posted By: Gordon Whitman | November 27, 2007 9:47 PM
This is a very difficult and complicated issue, yes. The problem is systemic in that the current problem is a result of a whole system gone wrong. We have to deal with tort reform, insurance abuse, political posturing, and the difference between rights and privileges to name a few of the aspects that need to be addressed and repaired as part of this.
Universal health care has never worked well in any major economy. The only country I'm aware of that has any success at all is Israel, and that is largely because it is such a small country.
I believe that President Bush was right in vetoing the expansion of the SCHIP. But I don't believe that we should abandon the struggle to find something that WILL work.
One of the fundamental changes we're going to have to make is to take this issue out of the partisan-political arena. And I'm not sure that's possible in our current political climate.
Posted By: Paul Ferguson | November 28, 2007 6:14 PM
I am not sure what to say about this. Consider the fact that only a tiny minority of people who call themselves christians know what the Gospel really means. This is our calling, to preach the Gospel. Not health care, taxes, or public policy. Yes I know that Christians should be involved in politics and learn about the issues, but this issue should not be a priority for the church. My opinion.
Posted By: Billy Reed | November 28, 2007 9:37 PM
Should Christians speak out and be involved with health care for everyone in our country. How can we not be? If Christians are so willing to protest, march and shout about the health/life of a human being while in the womb ... it would only make sense we follow through and be equally concerned about the health of everyone to the end of their life on earth. Remembering of course that Christ called us to be responsible for the spritual health care of everyone around us. Forget the "liberal" or "conservative" label, the blue or red color. If we are going to preach our government is based on Christian values, then how can Christians stay silent and not help find the solution. Let's do it.
Posted By: john | November 28, 2007 10:24 PM
Universal health care usually results in some form of rationing. It has to happen in order to cut costs. Medicare already does so by denying coverage for many things. I don't believe the Bible mandates one system over another, so we can't say this system or that is more Christian. We can argue which might be more effective or help the most people, but we cannot say there is one that is more "Christian" than another. So I don't think we need an "Evangelical Position."
Beyond that, Christians are called to help the needy and the sick OURSELVES, not force others to do so by means of taxes. If we really want to have an impact on the healthcare in the US, we should do more of what we have done before. Provide that care through hospitals, clinics, and other neighborhood solutions. Christians in the field could find ways to cut costs without cutting quality, and maybe not be so quick to charge as much as they can possibly get because "the insurance company will pay for it."
As always, our actions will speak louder than our words.
Posted By: Chris | November 29, 2007 8:31 AM
Health care is a tough issue, even with those that do have
"health insurance". The self inflicted diseases caused by
habits: smoking, over eating ,etc. But the stuff that hits you
by random chance: Altzheimers, Parkinsons,etc. If you do have
"health insurance" if you use it, the monthly premiums go up.
Right now, I am in the debate of Medicare Supplement Insurance
and the Long term care insurance as well.Someone said:"death is
cheaper".
Posted By: Thomas | November 29, 2007 5:11 PM
If 'death is cheaper', then we really need to re-evaluate the measures by which we assess worth. Its this point at which Christians can speak to the health care issue.
Posted By: Martin | November 29, 2007 8:58 PM
For those who are opposed to a one-payer system: think Medicare.
Like it or not we have had a one-payer system for years now, and it does work, not as well as it should , but where would we be w/0 it?
Hopefully someday soon "leaders" in the evangelecal system will start addressing this issue in a thoughtful way. Perhaps if we Christians quit worrying about who is in and who is out we could expend our energies actually bringing about God's kingdom on this earth.
Posted By: Bernie Kopfer | November 30, 2007 8:13 AM
I do think Medicare and it scares me. I dread the day when I turn 65 and that will be the only coverage I can get.
Posted By: Chris | November 30, 2007 10:11 AM
Christianity in many, and perhaps most, Christians' minds apparently now roughly equals Universalism, albeit with God along for part of the ride. Traditional Universalism has of course shaken off the shackles of the deity, but still has all of the necessary elements to constitute a secular religion, seeking, as does Bernie Kopfer, to bring about a utopian kingdom on this earth. Seeing as this is doomed to failure (as authority, please see Jesus's words from the Bible or a Burkean view of human nature), please stop the planet and let me off.
Posted By: DiverCity | November 30, 2007 11:38 AM
For those who are interested, The Center for Bioethics & Human Dignity has initiated a discussion on healthcare under the rubric of the common good. We have been in dialogue with a number of individuals pitching this approach and will be holding a conference in July '08 with the hopes of shaping the national debate.
Posted By: Michael Sleasman | November 30, 2007 3:31 PM
The Federal Act Security Card
November 9,2009
F.A.S.C. Concepts in and Pay It Forward
As of today we still stand strong and as we move forward we offer the concepts within this web page in the same forum as in the start. We will take the letters of 250 million Americans and build a health care program that is and for the people.
We will take the Federal Act Security Card and place it side by side with the 1900 pages of Bill that is considered to be law.
We will take the 1900 pages of Bill and remove any attempt to force health care in any form, if this force is within this Bill. The idea to put people in jail if they do not submit is not a Reform.
What is the -
Federal Act Security Card merged with what we call ,a Health Care Reform Stimulus Package. The inter facing of the two will build a security on two fronts first and ut most important the people .
2nd., It will build a net work that in it concept is a anti crime / war prevention forum to maintain the National Security Of The United States Of America.
3rd Placed under the protection of the Patriot Act
4th The right for the people to build their own health care with in or Government and charge the Officials Of Government the task of its safe keep.
5th Within the Constitution of the United States Of America , that if a person or a people see e into a issue that is so wrong not is only our right it is our duty.
6th In order to form a more perfect Union it has been sugested that both the Republican and Democrat parties sit down and work out this health care issue. So seeing how this will not be allowed please see Constitutional Law within the sand box concept. It will be found through the www.federalactsecuritycard.mysite.com link.
7th There is also a merger concept that states that a insurance company that stand alone can not endure heavy medical cost by the cause and effect of several people in the hospital at the same time of inherited illnesses.
The part one of this merger is for insurance to join as one, in order to form a net of protection.
Part 2 would be for the insurance companies to unite with the people and build from there and charge the Officials Of Government the safe keep of this health care merger.
The Filed Of Dreams Concept is based on how to put trust between Government Officials and the People. You will see a payment and tax forum, that is open to the people to vote for and it will in fact remove any forced payment concepts that is not within the Constitution. This concept can also be found at this link www.federalactsecuritycard.mysite.com
Within the rights given to the people of the United States Of America, F.A.S.C. Concepts now invoke this right to be heard and to openly offer a debate to the Staff in and for The President Of The United States Of America.
Mr. President you was voted into office to be the Commander And Chief Of The Military, to work with the people for Change, to fix a failed system. But not to be the leader of the people, this is not what being a American is all about.
A Health Care Program must be a united effort that says, that in the early days it was created for the better good of mankind, but now it is a way to make money off of the old ,the sick and the dieing.
The issue that has not been focused on is that health care within the hospitals and medical treatment and medication is out of control. And this will continue to climb as this force pay puts companies in harms way to pay more and more to just keep up with the cost. At the same this force pay will put hundreds of people in jail.
Fasc Concepts offers a rollback idea, that is to say the American People will help all who wish to get rich, but not at the cost of the National Security Of The United States. The $1 billion dollars you wish in on year, break it down into a four year to get rich.
Its like this, people helping people is a United Effort and the American People will be more than happy to pay into a Health Care Program that builds for the tomorrow., as long as it is honest and protected from scams.
Ok ,Mr. President are you ready for round 2, because now the people want to read your 1900 pages of Bill before it is passed into law.
Henry Massingale
FASC CONCEPTS
for main page click on this link below
www.fascmovement.mysite.com page1 american dream on google.com
Posted By: Henry massingale | November 10, 2009 7:28 AM
3/08/2010
To see the true Health Care Tax forum you must stop thinking in 3-D,This multi tax forum is against a $100 Trillion Dollar system.. ...
To force pay into another system of failures within Health Care Insurance Groups.
This economy will not balance with this concept of a tax forum against the Health Care System. The issue of how to force pay into this system of Health Care may have worked but I am still troubled over the progressive tax forum within this Bill. It covers so many items and Countries that it only forces the system to adjust itself. In some areas, increases against the people and the troubled economy, and in other areas, less effects will be felt.
But this is my big problem, Government Officials seek help and they are to proud to ask us, “the true working force of Government.” It is understandable they have failed the People and within the United States Of America all we ask is to see us as who we are and not try to bring us into this world of the intellectual. I guess our Prime Directive is that of Star Trek, so it must be understood that for millions of people we are just as happy as can be making $13.00 per hour and we have no interest in this world of politics, and how to be a Enstine. Government Officials must understand that there is a level of people within different parts of this Country, that seek to be only that they find to make them happy.
As for this economy well, it is said that the U.S.A. Arms Division has created enough arsenal to destroy every last creature in the world 2 times over,built with tax dollars. This would be funny if not for the irony of it. And now as time has passed Government Officials keep failing. Before 9/11 all the way to today.
As it is in a world of a system, when employees continue to fail, one or two things happen, one; you get fired, two; if you see into a person a good, then it is political correct to implement a penalty or roll back in pay. But this implement of penalty is more favored in the course of action in the Federal Employment World. So how to fix the economy and unite it with the Health Care issue. It would be in the Countries best interest to implement a 10% per cent penalty against every State, County and Government Official within this Matrix of failures. Hey what is that old saying, what is good for the Goose is good for the Gander. I am serous about this, it is past due to show that our Government Officials they have failed, their system failure reaches into this world of warnings that they brush aside as if the information is not worthy noting. From Pearl Harbor to 9/11/2001 to 3/07/2010 of our tax system and Health Care Reform. This 10% per cent penalty should go into the Health Care Forum.
The big problem that Government Officials have is that they have no street credit. President Obama still has some but if he does not take his family and step away from these dueling Parties, that fight over this Health Care Dollar, and stand with Us he will lose all credit from the streets to the county.
President Obama, I would say to you, you have one last chance to regain the hopes and dreams of the American People. To reach out in a concept that states, if there is 250 million people in trouble because of these failures, I would give all my money to them and then I would say to all that I gave money to, “I have no money left, would you all please give me $1.00 back and then I would have $250. million dollars to start all over again.”
As for this $100,trillion dollar in site.............
Results 1 - 10 of about 685,000 for net worth of medicine development industry
Just to show how deep this Health Care Tax split petition reaches. The term split petition is used because of the Tax factor plan that is not seen because of the intent not to show a capital Taxing of close to a $100 trillion dollar package, a yearly system income, not profit.....
Some have stated that I clam to have spiritual in site or something of the sort. I assure you this is not true, so when I state that I asked God to help, it is my way of saying hey Bobby show me how to work on theses Chevy engines. But I do thank you for the consideration. Consider me a cross of Jethro Bodine from the Beverly Hill Billies with my 10th. Grade education and Vin Diesel from the move Pitch Black.
So drop on by and see page 100 at our site and follow the blue pill link
Henry Massingale
FASC Concepts in and for Pay It Forward
www.fascmovement.mysite.com on google, look for page 1 american dream official site
Posted By: Henry Massingale | March 12, 2010 10:25 AM