August 22, 2008 12:01PM
Donald Miller to Give DNC Benediction

The author will replace Relevant founder Cameron Strang, who pulled out of the prayer earlier.


Sarah Pulliam

Best-selling author Donald Miller will give a benediction Monday night at the Democratic National Convention. He replaces Relevant Magazine founder and CEO Cameron Strang, who decided not to give the benediction at the Democratic National Convention as previously planned.

Christianity Today featured Miller on its cover in June 2007, and his spirituality book Blue Like Jazz has sold more than one million copies.

"Don is one of the top names among young evangelicals," said Joshua DuBois, director of religious affairs for the Barack Obama campaign. "We didn't think he would do it. We're just ecstatic. I love Blue Like Jazz myself. I think it sends a huge signal that someone who's is helping to lead off the conventions is an evangelical of his calibre."

I spoke to Miller this morning.

Why did you choose to accept the invitation?
Somebody calls you and asks you to pray, you do.

You get three minutes to pray? Have you thought about what you're going to pray?
I've not written the prayer yet, but I really wanted to hone in on the theme of unity, even unity between Republicans and Democrats. In the convention, as we highlight our differences that we wouldn't forget that we're unified, we have more in common than we don't. That's the focus of the prayer.

Cameron Strang was in that slot before and said that people perceived the prayer as showing favoritism. Are you worried you'll receive the same reactions?
I'm not. I'm a registered Democrat. While that's perceived as black or white, or hostile toward the Republican Party, I grew up in the Republican Party. I even attended as a kid the Republican National Convention when it was in Houston when Bush Sr. was running against Clinton. I changed parties about five years ago. I really felt like the Republican Party was taking advantage of the evangelical community by throwing us abortion and gay marriage, really not giving the heart of Christ more thought. I felt like it was the party of the extremely wealthy and they needed this conservative base in order to get a majority and so they pandered to us.

(The rest of the Q & A is posted after the jump.)

I felt used by the Republican Party in that sense. I started looking at the Democratic Party and looking at social issues that are affecting the world, seeing the presidency and Congress from a global perspectives. Even though many Democrats don't identify themselves as evangelicals, many of the precepts of the party, charitable foundation of the party did reflect what evangelicals are about, the sanctity of human life, the importance of really not leaving people behind. I don't think either party is the answer to the world's problems. I lean toward solutions the Democrats seem to favor.

Where do you stand on issues like abortion and gay marriage?
The issue of abortion is a very sensitive one and it's an important issue. I look at from a perspective of, what's the best that we can do. As we elect a Republican House and Senate, and as we elect Republican leadership in the executive branch, we see very little changes on that issue. We're electing someone who agrees with us on abortion, being sort of a tragedy in our country, and yet can't get anything done. It's kind of like saying, I want a pilot on my plane who feels this way about abortion, but he can't fly the plane. The executive branch doesn't have that much power, it has some power, but it doesn't have much power. You look at the reality of that and say, what can I do to defend the sanctity of all human life, including the living, and the marginalized and the oppressed and the poor? What can we do to better social conditions so that less women are put in situations where they feel like they need to have an abortion. What does looking at the issue holistically look like. I hope the Democrats will listen to those of us who lean toward pro-life and those changes can be made.

In terms of gay marriage, I see it as a constitutional issue. Until we become a theocracy, I think that judges should look at it from a constitutional issue. Whether I think homosexuality's wrong, personally? America is not God's country. It's not considered a Christian nation anymore. You have to look at everybody, not just Christians and say, what are the rights of these people based on this constitution. That's another difficult issue as well. I get a bit frustrated when the evangelical position is reduced to two issues. So many other issues are not a concern to us. What happened was, in my opinion, the Christian positions has been reduced in order to manipulate us. If we give them these two issues, we can do whatever we want.

I assume that means you support Barack Obama? What do you think he will do as president that would appeal to evangelicals?
This is one of the reasons I was attracted to obama and read his book and wanted to take him seriously as a candidate. If you look in the last eight years, we have lost our reputable standing among most nations. Certainly among many poor nations and Muslim nations, we're not very respected. There's a great deal of hostility against us. As we travel the world, America represents Christianity to the rest of the world. What we have is Christianity being represented by what is perceived as arrogance, bullying, an inability to negotiate peace, an inability to listen. People assume that Christianity is that way. You ask yourself, what sort of person might God rise up to heal the wounds that have been created by that kind of positioning in the world. You would think a very intelligent minority, who came not out of wealth, who's not only power position in Washington, D.C., a man who's more thoughtful in his answers and less bullyish, not as simple of a thinker, even as reality is not simple, a man who has spent part of his upbringing overseas and has connections with Kenya, that's the guy. A name like Barack Obama, you just kind of go, that would be the guy that God would choose to heal some of the wounds that we've caused in the world. That's what made me take him seriously. I read his book, listened to his speeches, asked myself some of those hard questions. When all the math was done, he edged out as a favorable as a favorable candidate for me.

Do you see yourself as a person who plans to be more involved in political activism?
I'm a writer. That's my calling. I'm not a pastor. I'm a believer. I write about spirituality. I have political opinions that may not have more worth than anybody else. In this instance, when someone calls and asks you to come and pray, I say yes. I'm a supporter of this candidate, and I think that's great. After I came out on a blog and expressed about the Bush administration, they invited me to the White House and had breakfast with the president's assistant. I enjoyed that and enjoyed them as people. When someone asks you to come, you come, and you have a conversation. I don't see this as an, "I'm against Republicans." That's not that kind of a move. This is about any believer who's called and asked to come and pray. No matter you're called to pray, you go.

Originally cross-posted at CT's politics blog.

Posted by Sarah Pulliam Bailey on August 22, 2008 12:01PM

Comments

Loved this, not only his willingness to pray but providing this Q/A. Thanks.

Posted by: Tyler at August 22, 2008

I've always been skeptical of Donald Miller and thought he has too much of a "social gospel" agenda...one that solely focused on giving a good name to Christians by suggesting that the role of believers is to simply go around righting all the wrongs in the world instead of actually preaching and teaching repentance and faith (you know...SALVATION through Jesus Christ). This article reveals much more of his heart...and it is scary and sad.

Posted by: Justin at August 22, 2008

I read through the article and I am not sure what to think about this conservative/liberal/Republican/Democrats divide any more. So in the interview he said that America is not God’s country so gay marriage is ok but in the next paragraph he said that America represents Christianity so we should be nicer to other countries. But if America does represent Christianity as he said then does it not represent a Christianity that is ok with abortion and homosexuality to the rest of the world? As for his statement abut how evangelical positions are reduced to two issues in the Republican camp, it is not true that evangelical positions are reduced to one issue in the Democratic camp, namely justice to the poor? So as long as the Democrats is willing to give us this one issue of welfare then they can do whatever they want in the cultural front?

Posted by: Denny at August 22, 2008

He felt used by the Republican party now he is being used by the Democratic party. Mr. Miller writes well but has some of the silliest reasoning I have heard in years. Christianity is not about Democrats, Republicans, or government. It is about Christ, faith and making disciples. That is for all Christians, being a writer and not a pastor doesn't change things. Sad that such a great "Christian" writer has been deceived. (I also left the Republican party but became independent 5 years ago)

Posted by: Gregg at August 22, 2008

Obama will defend the poor, McCain will abandon the poor. Any Christian who supports McCain is a fraud. End of discussion.

Posted by: Hilary Smith at August 22, 2008

Wow! Much to digest here. I think, first of all, that a careful read of Miller's books shows that he's very much on point with the message of the Gospel, while criticizing some of the cultural hijacking that's taken place. Teaching repentance and faith, and then not applying that newfound perspective in how we deal with the issues around us -- whether liberal or conservative -- is just not biblical. Second, Miller never said that either abortion or gay marriage was okay. And, he's not contradicting himself. The point as I read it is pretty simple, but hard: we should spend a lot less time trying to legislate our views and a lot more time trying to love our neighbor.

Posted by: Eric at August 22, 2008

Hello Mr. Strang,

I am a Chatolic who goes to a United Methodist Curch at this time.

I am a Black man, Maybe I am bias, but the mission that Christ gave us as he did to his followers is to go and preach the gospel to all corners of the world. I remember at the wake of the Afgan war 2 young ladies were taken prisoner for sharing the word of God in Afganistan, As aChristian I am challenging your ministry and your love of God to Go and Pray for Barak Obam and the other leaders that will conviene in Denver.

May God bless and protect you in your mission.

Posted by: Red at August 22, 2008

I agree with the fact that we are to give of our own time and resources to the poor and destitute. However, Don has been misled, we do it from our own heart- not by forcing the taxation of other people. Compassion is using our own time and money. Most big government spenders will use use tax-payers to help the poor- instead of sacrificing of themselves- it is probably true with both parties. Please- Don- don't bees so naive.

Posted by: mark at August 22, 2008

Sheesh.

I liked Blue Like Jazz okay but Mr. Miller's inability to offer a coherent definition for "Christian spirituality" and why it is better than typical Christianity sort of kept it off the "great" list. Miller's scatter-brained writing didn't help too much either.

Miller destroyed his pro-Obama argument when he claimed that we are no longer a Christian nation, and therefore issues like gay marriage shouldn't be decided from a religious standpoint, but then he went and said that we should elect Obama because someone with a name like that will "heal some of the wounds that we’ve caused in the world" pretty much sunk him in my opinion. The fact that he couldn't come up with a better argument for his support of Obama is almost worse.

This is just sad.

Posted by: CTB at August 22, 2008

Eric,
You wrote "The point as I read it is pretty simple, but hard: we should spend a lot less time trying to legislate our views and a lot more time trying to love our neighbor." In politics it is all about legislating someone's point of view. By supporting Obama Miller is supporting legislating higher taxes, bigger gov, etc. All things within the Democratic platform. The only only difference is that Miller is saying it is more "Christian" to support Obama's policy and not Republican policy.

Posted by: Denny at August 22, 2008

Hilary kind of illustrated that neither party has a corner on what it is to follow Christ. Why does tolerance only swing one direction?

Posted by: DMP at August 22, 2008

I'm sorry, but how is this sad? Do you mean that it's sad someone does not agree with you politically?

I'll tell you what I find sad: the hateful, defamatory, belittling comments I read regularly on this site.

Do you not know that you represent Christ when you speak? Please: before you post. If a non-Chrsitian read what you wrote, would they read love and respect in the post? Or ridicule and hatred? Because that is what I see, especially when it comes to politics. IN the words of Aleksandr Solzeninistyn (a conservative, OK??)

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either—but right through every human heart—and then all human hearts… And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained. And even in the best of all hearts, there remains… an unuprooted small corner of evil."

"They will know we are Christians by our LOVE. Not our one-upsmanship. by all means, disagree. Disagree out of your conviction. But in all things have respect and love for your brothers and sisters in Christ.

Posted by: Susan at August 22, 2008

Hello, this is just for the blog gatekeeper: I am really SHOCKED at some of the hateful spew I read in the comments. I am all for free speech. But I'd appreciate it if you weeded out some of the more hateful remarks. Or maybe I don't see half of what you do. The cruelty of come Christians. It's horrifying.

Posted by: Susan at August 22, 2008

I hope zero problem with him praying at the DNC - he's a good guy and I don't have to agree with his politics to see that.

That being said, he wants Obama in so we look more like a "Christian" nation. Tell me Miller or Jim Wallis wouldn't be upset if the person giving the benediction at the RNC suggested the same thing.

What does sadden me is his stock answers to why he is a Democrat --- the rest of the world distrusts us (a bit too generic, considering much of Africa and Eastern Europe sees us favorably, Western Europe is starting to elect more pro-American leaders, protesters followed Clinton around Europe in the 90s as well), GOP uses abortion and gay marriage to placate Evangelicals (very true, but you're really just trading one bit of pandering for another -- Democrats use "social change" as a platform more than a plan, and the amount of fear pumped into the mainline black churches by Democrats -- often campaigning in the pulpit Sunday morning -- is easily on par with the Pat Robertsons and Jim Dobsons on the right), the GOP does nothing about abortion (one of the first things Bush did when he took office was limit abortion -- look it up), and Obama offers change. It's all right out of the playbook -- a frustrating thing to see from such a creative author.

Be a Democrat, be a Republican, be unregistered or a third party person -- I really don't care. Please just watch yourself so your platitudes don't leave you a more bitter person than when you came in. Remember, we will never find our Saviour up on Capitol Hill - despite a lot of hoopla this election cycle that suggests otherwise.

Posted by: David Poe at August 23, 2008

The Democrats have pandered to people on the issue of caring for the poor and not gotten much headway on that. Its no different than Republicans failing to make significant headway on abortion.
How can the answer be to endorse the Democrats?

Posted by: Bill at August 23, 2008

I wonder if there will ever be a time that evangelical Christians in America will see e pluribus unim for what it: false unity.

Yes, Miller wants to soften the empire, but he still appears to support the 'Holy American Empire.'

How is the seduction of the left any different than the seduction of the right?

Has no one read 1 John?

Posted by: Paul at August 23, 2008

If Obama reads this, he's just found his running mate. Miller dances around the hot button issues much more skillfully than Obama.

Posted by: Brendt at August 23, 2008

Donald Miller is a good guy with good intentions. But in certain areas he lacks discernment. The real issue with Obama and the DNC platform is not what they say they're about, but "why" they believe what they do. The real problem is worldview. The same of course could be said for parts of the Republican Party. Nevertheless, in terms of underlying philosophy, Barack Obama is a studied postmodernist. Certain of his values thus look Christian but they are counterfeit. The underlying thought behind them (which will be revealed in time) is contra-Biblical.

And by the way, the idea that Christians have naively let themselves be used by the Republican Party is ridiculous and condescending.

Posted by: Matt at August 23, 2008

Um, I didn't really think what I wrote was hateful, (I'm sorry if it came across that way). I don't hate Mr. Miller. I'm not questioning his salvation or anything like that, and he (obviously) has every right to vote for whoever he wants. I don't care if Mr. Miller is liberal or conservative. I was simply annoyed that he didn't come up with a better reason for his support of Obama than "he will improve our image in the world". The thing about Obama healing wounds America has caused made me wince. I expected a more intelligent argument from Mr. Miller, because I DO respect him.

FWIW, I would be annoyed if Mr. Miller was giving the benediction at the Republican Convention.

I did like Blue Like Jazz alright, I just thought the writing was scatter brained, like I said, and that he didn't articulate his point about "Christian spirituality" very well. I was, again, simply expressing my opinion.

Posted by: CTB at August 23, 2008

Donald Miller does not represent Christ or Christianity. He is one of the wolves St. Paul warned would infiltrate the leadership of the church "not sparing the flock."

This whole interview displays Miller's ignorance. He wants to elect a president based on the sound of his name? He believes the executive branch has some power, but not much power? He repeats the Democrat talking point that eight years of a pro-life president has not impacted abortions? (Guttmacher just released a study showing that abortions are on the DECLINE - by as much as 8% - since 2000). He believes America is no longer a Christian nation therefore morality should be abandoned? What's the point in his even showing up to pray?

To which of America's gods will Miller choose to pray? Mark my words - Miller will come up with a creative way to inlcude ALL of America's gods in his prayer, which is what he really means when he says his prayer will focus on UNITY. All the proof you need that Miller is a pretender will be found in that prayer.

Posted by: Paul Edwards at August 23, 2008

Susan,

Is there any difference, in your mind, between someone standing up for the Truth and "hateful spew"? We are known as Christians by our LOVE - but not just the mushy, everything goes kind... the 1st commandment - to love the Lord our God - still applies, and when people distort Him and the Truth about Him, that's cause for some of the truth-telling that you seem to call "hateful spew."

What shocks me more than the "cruelty of some Christians" is the lack of discernment, and love for the Truth, of others.

Posted by: Wes at August 23, 2008

"I'm sorry, but how is this sad? Do you mean that it's sad someone does not agree with you politically?"

Susan, you couldn't have captured my thoughts any better.

Posted by: Adam at August 23, 2008

Yes, Christians are to care for the poor, and we need to do better at that. But, this is NOT the gospel of Christ. Before you get all antsy, make sure you read my first sentence.

The gospel of Jesus is this in a nutshell: We are separated from God because of our sin and we are enemies of God because of this (Romans 8:7-8). In order to receive forgiveness for our sins, we must be born again (John 3:3, 5, 7) by repenting from our sins (Mark 1:15, Acts 2:38, 3:19, 17:30, 26:20) and turn to Christ, who died for our sins and rose from the dead.

Giving someone food in the name of Christ is a good thing, and we should do it. But also give them the gospel...not just "Jesus loves you." Otherwise, they will be fed and cared for temporarily, but spend an eternity in hell. If we really love people, then we should feed them and give them the full gospel message. This is love, because it can save their soul from hell.

It is not love to be afraid of offending someone by mentioning the "s" and "r" words (sin and repentance), or leaving them to their own religion, which will not lead them to heaven (John 14:6).

Let's show Christ's love by feeding their stomachs and their soul with the gospel of Christ.

Posted by: Clay at August 23, 2008

CTB- You have just claimed to sit in the judgement seat that belongs only to God himself. What you say about Miller's salvation and his heart is indicatory of the ugliest form of arrogance. I have heard Donald Miller speak extensively on morality and is actually quite conservative. You make judgements by taking a few sound bites completely out of context to suit what you want them to mean.

You are completely out of line.

Posted by: jason at August 23, 2008

It is very scary that a ministry like Campus Crusade for Christ bought thousands and thousands of Miller's book, Blue Like Jazz to be given to freshman students entering colleges throughout the US. To see a ministry like CCC so openly accept Miller and his liberal views is very disturbing!

Posted by: Steve at August 23, 2008

It is very scary that a ministry like Campus Crusade for Christ bought thousands and thousands of Miller's book, Blue Like Jazz to be given to freshman students entering colleges throughout the US. To see a ministry like CCC so openly accept Miller and his liberal views is very disturbing!

Posted by: Steve at August 23, 2008

hey DMP,

i saw you used a quote from some guy named aleksandr solzhenheins or somebody. sounds like just another commie to me and his friend miller...he's from the #1 alcohol producing family in the country. does anybody not see this decepcion? tryin to skirt around the issues and talk nuthing but fluff, trying to push the homo sexual agenda. well i got one thing to say to that evil lie from the pit of hell: these colors don't run baby.

Posted by: bud at August 23, 2008

Jason, read what I wrote again. What I said was that I am NOT, I repeat, NOT questioning Mr. Miller's salvation. Please read carefully before you accuse me of something I didn't say.

Posted by: CTB at August 23, 2008

If he can blatantly ignore specific scripture that says homosexuality is a sin and those practicing it will not inherit the Kingdom of God, why not criticize him? He says to look at gay marriage in light of the individual's constitutional rights...fine. Let's say that somehow we amend the constitution to allow gay marriage and give the same rights to them as we married folk have. Will the people who have same sex marriages be given a pardon on the day of judgement because our government allows it? No, they're like everyone else. They must repent and trust in Jesus alone otherwise they will spend eternity in hell for their sins against a Holy God. The fact that Miller totally wiffs on this basic, fundamental point of Christianity scares me. If our government condones this sin, how many people will go to hell because of it? Their blood is on our hands if we do nothing about it and do whatever we can to keep people from perishing.

Posted by: Charlie at August 23, 2008

Obama's "least of these" rhetoric sounds good until you find out that he lets his own brother live on less than a dollar a month.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html

Add that fact to the fact that Obama's tax records reveal an extremely low level of charatable giving (1% most years) and the true nature of the man becomes clear.

When you try to socialize and governmentalize Christian charity all you end up doing in the end is killing it. I’m surprised that Miller and Mclaren and the rest don’t realize this…

Posted by: Chris at August 23, 2008

Steve,

I am on staff with Campus Crusade for Christ. I don't know that we gave "thousands and thousands" of college students that book. We may very well have, so I'll trust you. However, though I don't agree with Donald Miller politically on all things (though I would call you to see that he did not say abortion and homosexuality are okay), there is nothing glaringly theologically bad about his book. In fact, I know several solidly biblical pastors who recommend that book to many people. I actually go to a Reformed church that has it on the bookshelf for purchase! I'm not a huge fan of the book myself--kind of simple--but there are important things to learn in order to minister to a postmodern culture. Remember, Miller lives in Portland, OR, one of the least churched cities in the US. He has to reach them differently so he has to think differently--not about God, but about the way he communicates God. Ministry (and writing) is always contextual.

By the way, we've also given "thousands and thousands" of copies of "Don't Waste Your Life" by John Piper to students. Does that score us any points? :)

Posted by: James at August 23, 2008

Any supposed believer in Jesus Christ and His Word that supports anyone in anything that defends the murder of defenseless children,, and supports what is repeatedly called an abomination to God does not believe in the Jesus Christ of the bible. This is just another sign of the times. False teachers telling people what they want to hear.You can't believe the parts of the Word you want, and throw the rest out to satisfy your personal wants. Well you can, but it makes you a sad double minded man. This man calls himself a believer. I don't know what God he believes in, but it is not the risen Christ of the Word of God.Homosexuality is not a constitutional question for the true believer, it is a question of embracing sin like a warm blanket. Repent and preach the Gospel, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is coming soon.

Posted by: Brett at August 24, 2008

Charlie's point about Obama giving only 1% to charity is indicative of the Liberal view. They expect the government to take our money and use it to "save" the poor. Typically, the majority of those taxes end up in administration costs.
Surveys have shown that Conservatives give 10 times more to charities than Liberals. Taking care of the widows and orphans is the duty of Christians...individually and through the "Body of Christ" His church, not the government.
Abortions have gone down under the current administration and will continue to go down with Bush's appointment of pro-life justices. Only if Obama is elected and has the opportunity to appoint pro-abortion judges will the killing of the unborn continue and grow.

Posted by: Ron B at August 24, 2008

First of all, what is happening in the "Christian" arena is not surprising. We have become a 'circus' to the rest of the world. Showcasing ourselves as being able to be relevant to the culture around us we have become a freak show.
Our responsibility as Christians is to follow Christ which means we must follow His Word which means there is a cost - that is that the world will probaly hate us for following Him. Unity with unbelievers only brings the believer to disunity with Christ. You cannot have it both ways- Christ says you cannot love both light and darkness.
Those who promote abortion (plus partial and live birth abortions- infanticide) like Obama live in darkness and we must not have any part in it or even have UNITY with it- SORRY if I may seem so hateful here.

Posted by: Faith at August 24, 2008

50 million dead children, Don Miller, and the politcal party that has historically and undeniably stood for the legal slaughter of these babies has been the Democratic Party. You don't go to the Nazi Party to pray for a great convention when they've killed 6 million Jews. Likewise you go to NO political party, regardless of label, when they have willingly identified as the party of "choice"--the choice to slaughter babies in the womb. God help us when this kind of thinking by Donald Miller is called "Christian", and God save the children. He has not forgotten this shedding of innocent blood.

Posted by: ValkyrieRides at August 24, 2008

Donald Miller is not my close friend, but, within the sacred privilege of having a grand group of friends from many facets of humanity, I count him a good friend...a man I do know, trust, value and love. Personally, my wife and I are deeply moved at this remarkable privilege he has here in Denver in the next couple of days aa a a Christ-follower.

Most all the "stuff" thrown at him here simply proves those writing do not know the man and who he is becoming. I for one, at my olde age ^66), like what he has said (simple or not), said in the CT interview, and will be saying in future days...not blindly...but I do know our Triune God's hand is on him...and thus I trust the Spirit's guidance in Don's life...and in the words of his prayer at the DNC.

Relax...brothers and sisters...and watch out for the logs in your own thoughts before you go chasing splinters in others. And now...let us pray...........

Posted by: Wes Roberts at August 24, 2008

Just a couple of thoughts:
1. It's only if you disagree with what someone is saying that you call it "spewing hate." So get a little perspective and try being more open-minded.
2. What does "pro-life leaning" mean? Are you pro-life or not?
3. Salvation is by grace. That's it. Nothing else.

Posted by: alison at August 24, 2008

We have some very ignorant people here. Voting for Obama/The Messiah because he is going to heal our wounds?? WOW! Unbelievable. Or because he is going to solve the worlds problems, by helping out the poor and hungry. Well guess what. Yes, he may make the USA a more charitable country by taxing us out our eyeballs, but that really doesn't solve the problem. The problem could be solved by the believers and churches of this country binding together. By believers giving to their mission organizations within their churches and volunteering to go help out in third world contries. Just not by going to the voting booth and as a cop out check Obama. Get real some of you people. Please come up with a better reason to vote for him.

Posted by: Write-in Ron Paul at August 24, 2008

I just knew that when Wheaton allowed students to dance that the American evangelical world (or at least in the greater Chicago area) would go to pot.

The comments on this post proves me right.

Must be the Oprah principality (or princessipality) in Chicago or somethin'...

I'm with the last commenter. We need a Ronpality in America.

Posted by: Paul at August 24, 2008

In love, to all upset about Miller's statement that America is no longer a Christian nation:

It's not that America is no longer a Christian nation; she never was.

Though there is still much heated debate about to what extent many of our founding fathers where "christian" versus simply "deistic," one has only to look at our nation's history to see its actions falling far short of the image of Christ.

Were we a Christian nation when we enslave nearly 3 million Africans and brought them to this country (nearly half of which did not survive the trip)? Were we a Christian nation when we slaughtered tens of thousands of Native Americans, and systematically broke nearly every agreement we made with them? What about civil rights and the suffrage movement? And these are just the surface examples.

I don't mean to come across as America-bashing. I love my country dearly, and am thankful for the freedoms she affords me. I think America is one of the best things going, as far as countries go.

However, as believers we must be careful to make the distinction between the kingdom of the world and the kingdom of God. God may use kingdoms of the world for a time to carry out his purposes, but that by no means makes one nation more "ordained of God" than another.

To delve further into this perspective, I would highly recommend Dr. Greg Boyd's "Myth of a Christian Nation."

May God bless each and every one of you this November, regardless of your political affiliation, as you exercise your citizenship in the kingdom of the world by voting the convictions you hold as citizens of the kingdom of God. Grace and peace to you.

Posted by: Hal Thomas at August 25, 2008

I wonder, seriously, whether Donald Miller is even a Christian. A Christian cannot morally be capable of aligning himself with a politician who is a fierce believer in infanticide. Let him say the pray. I just don't think he'll be praying to the Lord of the Bible.

Posted by: Leslie at August 25, 2008

AMEN PAUL!!! this is exactly what i have been thinking this whole time. thank you for the wisdom. i also agree with you concerning Dr. Boyd's book. it's a must read!

Posted by: dave at August 25, 2008

I loved what Rick Warren & Saddleback did with having a QA with both candidates. I don't love what Donald Miller is doing here. I read Brian McLaren's book "A Generous Orthodoxy" and appreciated him saying that as believers we are not to be the mistress of a political party but that should include Rep. & Democrats. I am an independent but will vote for life this fall which means McCain will get my vote. Humanitarian issues top my list, and the reality I believe is that I will stand before the Lord someday & give an account as to what I did to prevent 1.3 million babies from dying. That is quite different from preventing a soldier who is voluntarily going to war and giving his life for his country.
One is heroic the other is genocide.

Posted by: Heather at August 25, 2008

you say "give an account as to what I did to prevent 1.3 million babies from dying."

I'm really curious how voting for a president that can't do anything about it is a good account? What has been done everytime there has been a pro life pres since roe v wade??? Besides nothing???? Voting is a cop out that removes any other responsibility from ourselves. It's not heroic in any sense of the word. Heroic is moving up a long side of a woman considering an abortion and loving her in any way necessary regardless of the costs. When supposed Christians wake up to this, maybe we'll actually be able to speak to the abortion issue in some tangible way.

Anyways, I too commend Miller for praying where God calls him to pray. He'll be able to give a faithful account before the Lord, knowing he speak HIS truth where it was needed.

Posted by: Brandon at August 25, 2008

Very good points Hal. I need to read that book.

I love Donald Miller. He helped me break away from alot of the legalism that I grew up under. I credit him along with others for leading me to the real Jesus. I really appreciate his vulnerability in answering these questions because I'm sure he knew he would be attacked.

He's not trying to convince people to vote for Obama. He is simply answering a reporter’s questions honestly.

Don Miller for president in 2016! :)

Posted by: Kari at August 25, 2008

Actually, presidents can do a whole lot about abortion.

Here's an example for you: The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act passed Congress a few years ago, Bush signed it into law, and later, the Supreme Court upheld the ban-with two justices Bush had nominated forming part of the majority opinion.

And besides that, it's a matter of judgment. Do you really trust the judgment of someone who-even though they admit that they're not sure if life begins at conception-supports the killing of unborn children, which is what Obama does. At the Saddleback Forum, Obama said that the question of when a baby gets human rights is "above my pay grade". And yet-even though he's not sure about whether they're people or not-he supports killing the unborn. Seriously.

Posted by: CTB at August 25, 2008

i think donald is a prolific leader and i love what he has to say!! he roots himself in the the beauty of the Scriptures and speaks out of that lens. good stuff. for more dialogue on this see these blog posts:

dons prayer - http://brianwurzell.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=235

gay marriage and the church - http://brianwurzell.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=145

Posted by: brian Wurzell at August 25, 2008

Posted by: brian Wurzell at August 25, 2008

The prayer:

Father God,

This week, as the world looks on, help the leaders in this room create a civil dialogue about our future.

We need you, God, as individuals and also as a nation.

We need you to protect us from our enemies, but also from ourselves, because we are easily tempted toward apathy.

Give us a passion to advance opportunities for the least of these, for widows and orphans, for single moms and children whose fathers have left.

Give us the eyes to see them, and the ears to hear them, and hands willing to serve them.

Help us serve people, not just causes. And stand up to specific injustices rather than vague notions.

Give those in this room who have power, along with those who will meet next week, the courage to work together to finally provide health care to those who don’t have any, and a living wage so families can thrive rather than struggle.

Hep us figure out how to pay teachers what they deserve and give children an equal opportunity to get a college education.

Help us figure out the balance between economic opportunity and corporate gluttony.

We have tried to solve these problems ourselves but they are still there. We need your help.

Father, will you restore our moral standing in the world.

A lot of people don’t like us but that’s because they don’t know the heart of the average American.

Will you give us favor and forgiveness, along with our allies around the world.

Help us be an example of humility and strength once again.

Lastly, father, unify us.

Even in our diversity help us see how much we have in common.

And unify us not just in our ideas and in our sentiments—but in our actions, as we look around and figure out something we can do to help create an America even greater than the one we have come to cherish.

God we know that you are good.

Thank you for blessing us in so many ways as Americans.

I make these requests in the name of your son, Jesus, who gave his own life against the forces of injustice.

Let Him be our example.

Amen.

Posted by: Mark Cole at August 25, 2008

Let's all take this time to use our God graced intellect to think through something about about the foundation of each party's view about the individual man. I am very open to crit and counter arguement about this but this is something i have been wrestling with for quite a long time. I have come to view the GOP as the undeniable bastian of free market influences and that they hold a locked view on what can only be described as the individual goodness of a single man to do some good in his community, for his family and to always do the rith thing, the though of up by my own boot straps and every other form of puritan isolation based self sufficiency. In a way the Republican's hold and anti God view of man or that they invariably see everyone as haveing either "general" or "specific" grace within themselves so that they are always in the capable state of helping out others. I think we can all attest to our own, very siful natures prior to salvation, as only non passe non pacare. Now the democrats do take into account that society has ills developed from the coagulation of mulitple people either marginalizing a certain sect of humanity (those that cant help themselves) or exploiting (see capitalism) and that there needs to be a group somehow in charge that can act in ways to make the best of what is possible for their civic populous (not spiritual populus, this is government, not an ecclesia). so in a way, the democratic view of man is mor pro bibilical (at least acccording to what God said, Jesus and paul....). but, the Dem's have been deceived by satan into this hyper reality of the right for a person to secure their own definition of whay reality and morality are (see planned parenthood vs casey 505 us 833 1992). So as a christian i find myself deceived by bush, realizing that the fallacy of post hoc ergo proctor hoc cuts down the arguement that Bush influenced abortion in ANY way (decline or advancement, WAKE UP PEOPLE, the president CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY) I HATE abortion, and i will find myself convincing anyone who supports it that they are in fact making at least a selfish decision and also admit that they are killing viable life. But, i am an independent that stands more in line with the DEM's views on pretty much everything else. Please understand that whatever is done, our love for the Lord should never fail, and we should find, within every activity to praise Christ, God and the Spirit as much as possible. We are spiritual men and women, with minds, bodies and lives in the process of sanctification through the Spirit's on going work with in it.

Posted by: Exerkomai at August 25, 2008

We have to remember that both Democrats and Republicans are a political party. You can be a true Christian and support either. And each party leans more toward the Christian view than the other on certain issues.

To say that, by supporting one candidate over the other, you are more or less of a Christian is simply absurd.

Posted by: Kevin Walker at August 25, 2008

To me, the whole Obama thing just doesn't sit right in my spirit. I don't understand why half christians love Obama, and the other half think he's evil. Are we not all hearing the Holy Spirit on this issue? It may be me who is wrong, I don't know? All I know is that I feel weird when I hear Obama speak. This comment isn't about republicans or democrats. It's about Obama. What do you guys have to say?

Posted by: boom at August 25, 2008

"To say that by supporting one candidate over the other, you are more or less a Christian is simply absurd..."
You are right, the only thing that makes you more a Christian is if you are being aided by the Spirit after you accept Christ's sacrifice in order to reckon yourself to the Cross of Christ. But, by growing with the LORD we can discern what the Spirit wants us to do with our precious vote. we must be active in our civic world more than anyone because WE ARE, through CHRIST's grace, the ONLY ONES that can discern the will of God and what he wants in our world of government

Posted by: Exerkomai at August 25, 2008

This is another example of the social gospel run amuck. Abortion is not difficult issue. It is murder!!! See Exodus 20:13 for God's answer to abortion. Who cares about what the Dems and Reps will say or not say, it is a black and white issue. What we Christians need to realize is that our example is Christ, not some politician or "christian author". Matt 24:12 "because the iniquity shall abount, the love of many shall wax cold". Christ said to the church at Laodicia that you must be hot or cold and too many "christians" are becomming lukewarm.

Posted by: d at August 25, 2008

To the one guy that told us to mark his words because Don would pray to a plurality of "gods"...well, I marked you words and you were wrong.
Secondly, I'm still confused on how so many believers stand so dogmatic on the abortion issue and taking the lives of innocent children here in the states, yet they stand firm (and quite passionately) for taking the lives of innocent children and adults in other parts of the world by supporting a war that is doing just that. Then, we make statements like, "These colors don't run baby!"
Weird...
Okay, one more thing while I'm ranting...I know what a hot button issue homosexuality is but I can not draw a Biblical distinction between this issue and the man who sits in our pews at church every week who is addicted to pornography, or the lady who is singing in our choir who has a tendency to gossip, or how about this one...the pastor who is a glutton.
But, who am I, just a 20 something who is fed up with religion and would much rather passionately pursue a relationship with Jesus.
By the way, I used my real name if anyone wants to blast me.
Zach

Posted by: Zach at August 26, 2008

Let me just say that Searching for God Knows What changed the way I look at my relationship with God and to others, and I defended Don Miller to the hilt when people would ask me about his fondness for Ani DiFranco and other issues.
But I have to agree that he lacks discernment here. To say that Republicans haven't done much to slow abortion is factually inaccurate and poor reasoning. Certainly he doesn't think an Obama executive branch would do more? The director of Planned Parenthood is speaking at the DNC today! Another post references the ban on partial birth abortion and the Bush-appointed justices who upheld it. In Don Miller's opinion, that might not be much progress; in mine, it would have never happened without Roberts and Alito.
Obviously, it is our responsibility to care for the poor, and that needs to be a bigger part of the evangelical platform. But we can do that in our churches, and we can tell our friends to do that.
That being said, this is just my opinion. I am disappointed because I think so highly of Don Miller, and I think he's wrong on this position. That doesn't mean he is wrong, it's just what I think. And even if he is wrong, it's not as though I have never been wrong before. What concerns me is that he is enormously popular among young evangelicals and the emerging church. I would like for that -my- generation to place a little more importance on pro-life presidents than Don Miller does,

Posted by: kja at August 26, 2008

Regardless of whether or not you agree with Mr. Millers' stances, and regardless of whatever political affiliation (or lack thereof) you personally hold, the sheer amount of judgment, bigotry, closed-mindedness, and stark ignorance being displayed on here is tragic, as well as an apt portrait of why the term "evangelical" has become synonymous - if only by association - with hate and division.

At what point did it become theologically justifiable to marry spirituality - or religion, for that matter - with a political party?

Further, when did the commonly-accepted definition of "conservatism" devolve into imperial absolutism?
How blind we are to follow like lemmings under the assumption of America's absolute moral authority. Rather than approaching the difficult economic, social, ethical, and moral issues that necessarily arise in life with the analytical, competent minds which God has given us, we simply look to someone else to provide use with absolute answers to complex problems, ignoring the intricacies and ramifications of any given stance or course of action, and demonizing those who don't agree with us. This same logic was used in the crusades, the slaughter of native americans, the slave trade, the segregation era, and many other notable, historic times which are inexorably tied to our culture.

Posted by: Anthony at August 26, 2008

Off the point, but any Christian who doesn't think he or she is at times a fraud, is a fraud. Beginning of discussion.

Posted by: Liam at August 26, 2008

Claiming Christ as your saviour, how do you justify any kind of war which involves killing - not only of soldiers, but of civilians. Is a woman's life any less valuable, because she is Afghani? Does your concept of the "sanctity of life" operate on a different level for a child born into a Muslim culture?
I wonder, even - if any of us Christians were to be taken into an abortion clinic, and told that if we were to adopt the child of any particular girl there, that that girl would choose not to follow through with the abortion, how many would stand up and act? What if you were told then, that the child will be born with a severe mental handicap, and that she/he will require constant attention? How many self-professed pro-life Christians would actually do something here, rather than expecting the government to take care of it, and turn away with a self-righteous tail between their legs, whispering softly, “Well, we just didn’t feel led.”

Also, are the lives of those who can feasibly be helped by medical technologies any less sacred, simply because this might mean money coming from your pocket, and that it might not be as profitable?

And I can't help but wonder - how many gay individuals have been brought to the love of Christ through having the word "abomination" hurled at them? Have you ever been raped, molested, and psychologically wounded to the point that your identity has been deeply impacted in such a way? Perhaps rather than ostracizing these individuals, the Christian church could be a vehicle through which they find Christ, and further, true, deep healing.

Posted by: Anthony at August 26, 2008

This American allegiance to Christianity seeks first to accomplish a comfortable, middle-class existence for the self - and then, if one feels particularly led - to give unto the least of these.

We are privileged, beyond any other nation or cultures' conception of the word, and it seems that many sheeple are so easily placated by these pet issues which are by their very nature difficult and intricate; yet the distraction is just enough to keep Christians - who could be accomplishing something otherwise - fat, lazy, ignorant, and wasteful - but of course, comfortable.

As Christians, how do we justify this? We cannot.

I am neither defending nor rebutting either party here. Regardless of my politics, I am a follower of Christ, and though this is nothing new, it makes me sick to find His name manipulated for such ignorant bias.

Those who are not believers in Christ - though they may be accountable - cannot be expected to follow His standards, until they accept Him. Those who are believers, are held to a higher standard.
That being said, how dare any of you use His name in the same sentence as such hateful negativity that has been spewed forth. How dare you question another's salvation for the sake of your own argument. How dare you blindly follow McCain simply because in your American mind Republican=Christian. How dare you.

We all fall short of the righteousness of God; however, that any of you took the time to read this article and post proves to me that you are thinking individuals, and that you should know better. Your excuse is gone.


-Anthony (teacher, abortion survivor, pro-human-life advocate, environmentalist, Christ follower.)

Posted by: Anthony at August 26, 2008

I think this is a step that a younger generation of Christ followers are needing to be shown and modeled. This generation of Christ followers are not interested in sitting in a pew with a great theological outlook that makes sense in a world that is suffering, and even hard for themselves to reconcile if they take off their blinders for even a minute--they are looking to be active in a gospel message that makes disciples, sure--but really saves people--physically, spiritually and emotionally. I get so frustrated with evangelicals who make America a Christian nation and want to take this country back for God—a god they align with their political perspective and skewed world vision—behavior like that is ruthless. Not much different from other militant behavior we are at war over now—same scale, different religious systems. Our founding fathers were not conservative or liberal--they pursued God--and were not a theocracy--which is what they were escaping from Europe. They were merely leading people to freedom, in which to live their life—under God. That scares evangelicals, and that’s why they make him the god who demands, condemns and puts others down until they bend to a perspective developed by man—evangelicalism. Today--I wonder how many conservative evangelicals would be as quick to adopt an unwanted child from a mother who was considering abortion, or house her if she is kicked out of her own home--before they tell her abortion is wrong or know of a good girl’s home or orphanage. A government outside of a theocracy is out of the question. Sadly, the world does see America as representative of Christianity—and evangelicals speak much too loudly for Christ’s followers. They see people who condemn, judge and narrow politics down to two main issues—gay and abortion rights. I say sit down and really think about what the gospel is. He came for life, and life in abundance. He came for the sick, disenfranchised, the fray. He didnt come to make people rich, or to give one a lisence to condemn--judge or point the finger. The gospel is more than a "soul-saving and preaching" mechanism to pontificate on. It is abounding love, compassion and standing in a gap for someone to help them. It is attempting to undersntad them and their pursuit of God. It is trusting the holy spirit to mov in people. It is not democratic or republican—it is the gospel.

Posted by: Andrew Suitter at August 26, 2008

A vote is not an act of God. God does not see our vote for one candidate or another as a personal affirmation of our faith in him, his son, or his will. Do you not see this political system is void of God? Can you not see how divisive these comments are? Donald Miller is not God. He is a man, he tries to serve our God to the best of his abilities. It is not for us to stand in judgement. That doesn't mean that debate and discourse isn't of value. I just wish we could speak in a manner that was more of God..of Christ. Questions are good, but the nature of these comments don't read like impassioned curiosity, they read like a battle to disply the will of man. no one here is righteous. not our forefathers, nor our president. The interview was about personal convictions around politics. Don wasn't selling democrats or obama as the embodiment of Christianity. he was simply responding to questions with his own personal convictions. Does anyone know of similar circumstances in scripture, does God or Christ have any interaction with politics...i understand this is a broad question but i'm hoping to find specific scripture. Not in an effort to build a case for either side...but to simply understand what Jesus may have done or said in the face of political systems and forms of government.

Posted by: Mason at August 26, 2008

I'm tired of seeing the hate, fellow Christians. I think Miller's point is to prayerfully and thoughtfully consider where you stand on political issues in accordance with your faith. The part people aren't getting is that we don't all end up in the same place.

Posted by: Steph at August 26, 2008

Seriously. If you're going to attack another's comment, take the time to write your own comment in some sort of literate fashion. It gives you the credibility you're looking for. Also, if you want people to listen to what you have to say, some of you need to have a little more tact and compassion. You may not agree with someone, but that does not give you the right to be disrespectful about it and go straight for a man/woman's character. That's called ad-hominem and it's a serious sign of intellectual weakness. As Christians, we are called to love each other even out of our disagreements. Some of these posts make me ashamed to be a believer.

Posted by: Derek at August 26, 2008

Here's the issue I have: Republicans feed us nonsense (with a Rep president and Congree, did they ever accomplish anything they rallied for or against?)and Democrats lean so far left you'd swear they were a palm tree in the middle of a hurricane. If Donald Miller wanted to find a party that mostly lines with Christianity, he should look into the Constitution Party and Chuck Baldwin. As for Barak being the healing man, I think Mr. Miller has failed to look past the stardom of the candidate.

Posted by: Travis at August 27, 2008

I am sad that Mr miller does not read the Bible & just follow it.
How can Christisns do God's will when we let the worldly politicians lead the way instead of the Holy spirit. Perhaps, the Body will see that it must step away for hoping politics will bring in the kingdom & go about our daily calling, bring justice AND righteousness. I know I was not led into Biblical thinking until I really came to know Christ as Lord at 21. I see so many people 'emerging' to create a Christ in their image. It's hard enough to allow the Spirit to change us into the image of Christ daily without a human, & maybe personal,guide to also distract us. I shall vote, do the social work, but it is most important to bring people to Christ. Scripture tells us there will be no Utopia until Christ returns.
INrobkelleyHISGRACE

Posted by: rob kelley at August 27, 2008

I like Donald Miller, but I don't agree with his politics. I don't honestly believe Barack Obama is a Christian. You look at his pastor, his friend who was indicted and the other anti-American people (Louis Farrakhan and others) associated with him and you realize his idea of change is socialism.

Sure the Republicans haven't made the most ground on abortion, but it's not exactly something the president can change by himself. He can only sign the bills set before him. Basically the judiciary has hijacked the government and getting a pro-life Supreme Court justice (Bush did this twice) is just as important as the partial birth abortion ban Bush signed (Clinton vetoed it). The problem is that regardless of what legislation passes it can possibly be challenged and taken before the court.

Faith and politics don't mix very well, but your political views and your spiritual life is related (see George Barna's statistics). Honestly, all of us have to answer to God for everything we do including who we vote for. Evangelicals were responsible for Clinton being elected and for Bush being elected. Let's hope they're not responsible for Obama's election.

Posted by: Matt at August 27, 2008

Wow... all I can say after reading the bulk of this thread is that idiocy is not only bi-partisan, but also alive and well among evangelicals. I'm with you, Derek, saddened by the absence of grace for our brother Miller, appalled at the illiteracy and theological shallowness on display and ashamed, not of Miller's thoughtful, God-honoring prayer, but of the venom spewed here by judgmental Christians.

Posted by: Melissa at August 27, 2008

I've been to Africa--where I saw babies dying in the dirt; rampant malaria, leprosy and starvation. That experience affected how I now view "The Poor" in the U.S. Most of The Poor in the U.S. have color TV, a roof over their heads and access to free education and Food Stamps. "The Poor" has simply become a war cry for politicians who want more power for themselves. IMHO.
One simple answer to abortion: adoption.
I have two close family members who had to go out of the country to adopt. We Americans prefer abortion.
It is unfathomable to me that there are Christian leaders out there today, like Tony Campolo, Jim Wallis, and this Miller fellow who have figured out ways to justify something like abortion which has to be the most atrocious abomination to the heart of God than anything else I can think of in modern times. It smacks of sheer deception.
The condoning of abortion by Christians leaves me speechless.
So this is how the Church now beckons the little ones.

Posted by: DFM at August 27, 2008

I agree with Melissa. It is sad to see people who profess to be evangelical Christians reflect the prejudices of their sub-culures rather than the values of the Scriptures. May the Lord have mercy on us!

Posted by: Ward Gasque at August 27, 2008

Donald Miller doesn't endorse the entire Democratic Party platform -- neither in this interview nor by praying at the convention. If you listen to his prayer, it was soundly Christian.

Membership in a party, like a nation or a church, does not endorse the actions of all of its members.

We shouldn't abandon the parties. Both Democrats and Republicans would benefit from having more virtuous Christians among their ranks.

Posted by: Alan at August 27, 2008

Matt:

A) If you are a Christian, what makes you think it is your right to even have a preference or belief regarding another persons' salvation? Further, your are judging this by association with your OPINION regarding other figures whom you don't even know personally. Where do you get this logic?

B) Even further, your judgmental summation of Sen. Obama's lack of true Christianity is based off of your presumption that his economic ideas are in the direction of socialism. So, are we to assume that socialism = anti-Christian? This logic follows an underlying assumption that Capitalism=Christianity, and this is a very, very flawed notion. Do you even know what socialism is? Have you ever read the book of Acts?

Christianity cannot be married to ANY political party.

That so many have traded the true heart of Christ for an American Capitalist brand of Christianity is a tragedy.

Posted by: Anthony at August 27, 2008

Christ followers come from all types of backgrounds and have all types of views, but I don't think discussing those differences makes them "judgmental" or "shameful" or "Shallow" or even venom (extreme malice & bitterness) filled.

Discussion is good, Debate is good - it sharpens us to think thru our ideas.

It cracks me up that about every 5th blog or so is written as commentary on how the "believers" are getting along. There's always a spindly schoolmarm ready to give us a sound whopping if we step out of line, which is the way I use to view God. But since then I've found out that He's not insecure.

Posted by: Heather at August 27, 2008

Very well said Matt...it is amazing to me how much anger comes to the surface on Christian blogs and message boards. I pray that through all of this we will somehow be known for our Love for others.

I thought I would post the text of this beautiful prayer and ask that we all decide to pray it together - the prayer that he prayed in the name of Jesus, or Savior and Lord!

“Father God,
This week, as the world looks on, help the leaders in this room create a civil dialogue about our future.
We need you, God, as individuals and also as a nation.
We need you to protect us from our enemies, but also from ourselves, because we are easily tempted toward apathy.
Give us a passion to advance opportunities for the least of these, for widows and orphans, for single moms and children whose fathers have left.
Give us the eyes to see them, and the ears to hear them, and hands willing to serve them.
Help us serve people, not just causes. And stand up to specific injustices rather than vague notions.
Give those in this room who have power, along with those who will meet next week, the courage to work together to finally provide health care to those who don’t have any, and a living wage so families can thrive rather than struggle.
Hep us figure out how to pay teachers what they deserve and give children an equal opportunity to get a college education.
Help us figure out the balance between economic opportunity and corporate gluttony.
We have tried to solve these problems ourselves but they are still there. We need your help.
Father, will you restore our moral standing in the world.
A lot of people don’t like us but that’s because they don’t know the heart of the average American.
Will you give us favor and forgiveness, along with our allies around the world.
Help us be an example of humility and strength once again.
Lastly, father, unify us.
Even in our diversity help us see how much we have in common.
And unify us not just in our ideas and in our sentiments—but in our actions, as we look around and figure out something we can do to help create an America even greater than the one we have come to cherish.
God we know that you are good.
Thank you for blessing us in so many ways as Americans.
I make these requests in the name of your son, Jesus, who gave his own life against the forces of injustice.
Let Him be our example.

Amen.”

Posted by: Chris Seay at August 27, 2008

There are many, many young Christians who listen to leaders like Tony Campolo, Jim Wallis et al. When I read/listen to their unbelievable excuses and reasons for tolerating aborting the life of a God created "least of these", one of the things that always comes to mind is the scripture from Luke---"It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble." These guys WILL answer for leading their little "flock" of followers to accept the "theology" that murder of unborn babies is legitimate doctrine.

Posted by: dfm at August 27, 2008

Whomever reads this...please stop and think about the beauty of grace for us, the least of these....And now remind your self that "before you were born, I knew you..." The Lord/God/Christ/Spirit knows EVERYONE, know meaning awareness and acknowledgement, before they were born. This gets at a deeper issue, amung us that are so blessed to know Christ and call our selves Christian. We must, counter to what other people may post on here, understand that our vote DOES matter GREATLY. Although God is MUCH greater than this petty little country in the scope of this earth and history, God does give us a spirit to discern his will and to follow whatever that is to its conclusion. I fear that more and more people are relying on a Gov. to abolish the world's problemis....this will never be the case...understad what individuals stand for and vote accordingly....this is a strange time in the land of the free and the home of the brave, we finally realize that the only freedom comes from christ and that we have no reason to be brave apart from christ.
Please pray that we all understand the will of the father and that he has impress upon us HIS desire above all.

Posted by: exerkomai at August 27, 2008

Folks calling into question Miller's relationship to Christ and misunderstanding his views on abortion, homosexuality, social justice and engaging non-Christians is sad. What part of Romans 14:4 doesn't make sense? (Taking into account the context, who is the 'weaker brother'?) Miller is adept at engaging non-Christians AND consistently points them to Christ. His theology and that of his home church are orthodox and biblical -- wish folks would do their homework first.
To the "Miller-haters" -- will you be consistent in your criticism IF Romney is selected as a running mate. Does a Christian supporting a mormon mean they've compromised Christ? What if Christians support the same issues as mormons or issues mormons are taking a lead on?
Politics makes strange bedfellows, how does a Christian participate w/o being "tainted?" I thought Miller handled it well. Criticism is easy, solutions are hard -- if you were asked to pray for either party, what would you do AND why? (how others advance God's Kingdom may not be the same as yours, does that make someone else's way wrong?)

Posted by: Derek at August 28, 2008

Donald,
You are a fine and funny writer, but this could be harmful to your ministry to move into the political fray this way. Billy Graham said it was a big mistake for him.

Also, if you think that only the Republicans will use you and evangelicals, then wake up. The Democrats are far more vicious and power hungry and have far less scruples - remember the Clinton administration and all their scandals. You jumped out of the pot and into the fire, dude. They are ravenous wolves and will eat you up.

Lastly, your comments that we need to consider gay marriage constitutionally. Please consider CASE LAW. Since the beginning in 1620 at Plymouth, Marriage Law in this country is between a man and a woman. That then is constitutional. Also, All major religions and religious people in the world deplore homosexuality, and the apostle Paul said do not let it be named among you. You are coping out on this issue. When a country fails to govern itself according to God's basic moral statutes, His blessing is removed. Read the Old Testament and what happened to Israel after they divided. Some of us don't want that to happen to the US, even if it means that people don't like us. God's Word is true and right for all people. Legimitizing Homosexuality was one thing that brought the Fall of Rome, and it will be part of the Fall of Western Civ. Read your bible and your history better.

Posted by: Dave M at August 28, 2008

1.Trying to find info on as to why Miller is speaking at the DNC.
2.Found out he was a democrat.
3.He's still a great man and a follower of God regardless of his political stance.
4.So what if he thinks people need to act on their words instead of hiding behind them? Call me next time faith, and faith alone, solves a problem in this world without the actions of the people to support it.
5.I personally believe that Jesus would think you all were a bunch of nut jobs. I now see why I get such a bad response from most people where I live when I ask them if they know Christ.

Chill Out,
thomas

Posted by: Thomas at August 28, 2008

I believe every Christian should pray about whether or not to vote and for whom to vote. But neither party will solve our country's ills. I believe that's why Jesus didn't bother with politics. He spent his time with people. He is our example. It is we, the church, who should be his hands extended to the poor, the needy, the oppressed. It's OUR job, not the government's job. Whomever ends up in office, God is still on the throne and WE still have a mission. May I recommend "The Jesus I Never Knew" by Philip Yancy. It was a great help to me on seeing (through the gospels) what Jesus thought was important enough to give his time to.

Posted by: Kathy at August 29, 2008

The Bible teaches that the world has been in a state of perpetual decline since the fall. The answer for individuals according to this same Bible is to find salvation from this decline in Jesus, the Messiah provided by a loving God. This is not a political or governmental issue. My hope is that every man will look to Him for
eternal life. Don Miller and/or anyone else of notoriety will only be another person with an opinion. Every person is extremely valuable and I dread the damage that could occur to any human soul in this divisive world. Jesus life was a life of love mingled with blood, sweat and tears. If His followers are no less than that, they will attract people to Him. ! Cor. 13 says " Love is patient and kind, does not insist on it's own way and doesn't acknowledge any wrong suffered." I suspect that Christians are learning this message but the place to find out is to observe their behavior in the public arena.
Right wing, Left wing fly away
and take the hurt you bring today
Lord, help me love in all I say
and save this world You love I pray

Posted by: Steve McKee at August 30, 2008

It is odd that we as believers still have difficulty accepting the whole Word of God as a revelation of God's character versus those cherry-picked favored passages that, when over emphasized, cause us to sway from God's will. I completely agree with Don Miller in the interview above. The Lord is neither Republican nor Democrat and the United States is not a Theocracy. It is odd to me that with regard to Christian tenants that the Republican platform tends to blindly lean on the Biblical mandate of personal morality and purity but ignore that large corpus of the scriptures emphasize social justice and social righteousness as equally important in God's eyes. So much so that the nation of Israel and the Church are rebuked, judged and punished for their stiff-necked departures from both. God says that we demonstrate that we know him by both our personal holiness AND our treatment of others.

He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord. (Je 22:16, NIV)

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.? (Jas 1:26-27, KJV)

The reverse is true for the traditional Democratic platform, where those that depart from Biblical definitions of personal holiness and morality are often pandered to. Is it possible that this loss of focus on the character of God is simply because we don't read our Bibles?

I thank God for a two party system, along with the facility for independent affiliation, whereby, if one party goes too far afield of center, we can use our vote to bring it back into alignment with what is right. It's not perfect, but it does work.

Based on the signs that we have seen on the national/world stage, I believe Barack Obama has been raised up by God, specifically for this time, to heal this country in numerous ways from the last 8 years of war-mongering, global hostility, social indifference, and economic decline.

Posted by: N. Burks at September 6, 2008

Yea, screw the poor, right!? I mean they are poor and prob. smell weird and have mental problems. Let stick our finger in tax paying, law abiding citizens lives and tell them what they can and can't do in regards to their bodies and with whom they can have a relationship. HAHA, Poor!? No way, I would rather Pass laws to police you rather than just pray for you.To all you poor people, pull your self up by the boot straps. Progress and forward thinking suck! 50 years or so ago, blacks had their own restroom and had to sit in the back of the bus, but then you had these flipping liberals coming along, with their "liberal agenda" Again, poor!?...what does that have to do with my track home, my 7 series BMW, and my life?

Posted by: ND at September 14, 2008

This is sad. Donald Miller left the Republican Party because he felt used--now he is being used by the Democrat Party. I wonder when he will wake up and find he got used. On the other hand, maybe he will influence the Democrat Party in a positive way???

His reasoning for supporting Obama is pretty shallow. The rationalization about abortion was very telling too. He said nothing was accomplished by Republicans. That is incorrect--they passed the partial birth abortion bill and put two pro-life Supreme Court justices in place. With only one or two more, Roe vs. Wade could be overturned and the issue would be decided by the states where it constitutionally belongs. The reason Republicans didn't accomplish more on abortion is because of resistance from the Democrat Party. By the way, Miller's guy, Obama got a 100% rating from the National Abortion Rights Action League. I don't know how he can justify that.

The Democrat Party cares about the poor? Please--that is so naive. Regardless, if they care about the poor--good intentions do no equal results. Look at the top 10 cities with the highest poverty rate and what will you find--all of them run by Democrats for decades. Also, look at Dr. Arthur Brooks of Syracuse University and his study on who gives more to charity. The answer--conservatives. Also, which party has a higher income on average--the Democrat Party--the real party of the wealthy.

Posted by: Andy at October 6, 2008

This is messed up. Barack Obama wants to help the little people? Give me a break. Read about cap and trade and go through what the stimulus was actually spent on. Obama wants nothing more than most politicians; to increase his own power. He says that democrats respect the sanctity of life???!!!! Obama favored partial-birth abortions and starving botched abortions to death... FULLY BORN HUMANS STARVED. Miller sounds like an Obama zombie and he basically said the Republicans let him down so he's going to the Democrats. There aren't only two choices, buddy. Limit government and you limit corruption. I've lost all respect for this Miller character. Democrats care about the poor???? LMAO. read up on the stats about welfare. generation after generation, it only propagates dependence on the government. And they oppose drug testing for welfare recipients?! hahaha. I'm not cynical; I'm just keeping it real.

Posted by: John at July 22, 2009

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