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November 12, 2012

Uganda Bill That Proposed Death Penalty for (Some) Gays Expected to Pass

2009 proposal was blamed on American evangelicals; Ugandan Christians dismissed charge as cultural imperialism.

A controversial Ugandan bill that strengthens criminal penalties against homosexuality—and originally, in some cases, invoked the death penalty—will soon be put to a vote and is expected to pass.

The bill, first proposed in 2009, has been widely attributed to the influence of American evangelicals; however, CT has reported how American evangelical leaders condemned the bill but Ugandan Christian leaders dismissed this as cultural imperialism.

According to the Associated Press, the speaker for Uganda's parliament, Rebecca Kadaga, says lawmakers will soon vote on the proposed legislation—and she expects the bill to become law before the end of the year.

The bill, first introduced in 2009 by parliament member David Bahati, would expand penalties for homosexuality to include life imprisonment or, in some cases, the death penalty.

And though many Western gay rights advocates have condemned the bill, Ugandans still "are demanding it," Kadaga told the AP.

CT previously reported how the proposed anti-homosexuality bill, which was one of CT's Top 10 News Stories of 2010, divided American and Ugandan Christian leaders, with American leaders largely condemning the bill and Ugandan leaders largely supporting it. CT also noted in an editorial how the bill was making cross-cultural relations more complex than ever.

At the time, Christopher Byaruhanga, professor of historical theology at Bishop Tucker School of Divinity and Theology at Uganda Christian University, said the reaction from American Christians was creating tension for Ugandan Christians.

"You see there's a kind of imperialism and a kind of relativism from the West," said Byaruhanga. "They don't understand our ethics in the country of Uganda and they are trying to impose what they believe."

Comments

Some countries will move forward, and some backward on human rights. Some forget that God created Gay people. That they, themselves, have, or will have Gay brothers, sisters, children, grandchildren, great grandchildren. Instead they insist on condemning, discriminating, and crucifying them, blaming it on the Bible. The Bible also states that one must stone their children if they disobey, but they conveniently pass this one by.

ALL the people who played a part in this evil law, have blood on their hands. What one sows, so shall they reap.

Steve with all due respect, God did not create gay people. People who practice homosexuality are those who have a reprobate mind as pointed out in Romans 1. In other words, people fall into homosexual practice because they rebel against God and instead choose to follow their feelings and their lusts. God does not create sin nor cause people to sin nor condemn something that we cannot repent of and change through the power of the Holy Spirit.
As far as stoning disobedient children that was under the law to keep Israel free of corruption. It has no relation to today or the New Testament. You are trying to justify sin by lumping the Law with the Grace of Christ, a common attempt to justify sinful behavior. That said, have you noticed that in the New Testament there are no calls to kill anyone except from the enemies of God? God struck down Annanias and Saphira. Peter did not.
To sum it up you are comparing apples to oranges and your arguement does not stand up to the scrutiny. I do not agree with Uganda's killing of homosexuals. However, I believe that homosexual behavior is wrong and should not be tolerated because of the evil it perpetuates against the individual and society itself. Gays can quit their sinful behavior if they desire to do so through the power of the Holy Spirit. Do not blaspheme God by saying He created Gays.

Killing is wrong. Jeff, can you not see the irony in your comments? The evil that gays perpetuate? These straight Ugandans want to kill people because those people prefer the same gender partner - that is evil. I have never wanted to kill anyone because of who they sleep with. I am a good person, who happens to be a lesbian.

Like the unmarried heterosexual the homosexual must abstain from sexual immorality - that means chastity is the only acceptable lifestyle for the Christian.
You can try to twist the scriptures all you want, you can say Romans one doesn't refer to practicing homosexuality, you can make up all kinds of fanciful interpretations, you can throw around terms like "ignoring intratextual and historical contexts", but the scriptures are clear - homosexual behavior is sinful.

Now obviously we cannot prohibit homosexuality in our culture, but that doesn't mean we have to endorse it, either.

We do know this: homosexual behavior is a public healthcare nightmare. Just check out the CDC fact sheets. Why would we want to promote a lifestyle so dangerous?

Jeff, I don't agree with your reading of Scripture, but I'm not sure that would change your mind. However, many devout Christians who have had a gay child, a close gay friend, or who have deeply struggled with homosexuality themselves can point to the utter falsehoods of your assumptions about it.

To Kate, Jon, and GP let me point out to you a couple of things. I do not advocate killing homosexuals. I think Uganda is on the wrong track here. But I also do not believe that we should glorify a behavior that God has clearly condemned. Sin is sin. Sin is rebellion against God. You cannot be a Christian and live a holy life unless you repent and turn from all sin. Otherwise you do as the writer to Hebrews says and "crucify Christ all over again." I do not hate homosexuals but I am called by God to preach the life giving Gospel to all people who are all sinners so that they might be freed from their bondage. As a Christian the Bible teaches us the thoughts of God and how to live a righteous life. I do not understand it all. Some things may not always make sense but I accept it by faith just as I accept God's gift of salvation for me.
GP I telll you this in love that you are on the wrong track when it comes to the scriptures as is Jon. You interpret them to fit your world view instead of allowing them to change your world view. You are in danger of committing one of the oldest sins that started in the garden when Eve was tempted. "Surely God did not say you couldn't do this" Think about it. Read the Bible as written in its context and above all pray for the real Holy Spirit to lead you.
God bless!

While I'm quite happy for Christians to preach the sub-human barbarism of anti-homosexuality in the 1st world it is much more dangerous when taken up in less developed countries. Countries which have not yet managed to teach their Christians that they cannot just kill people they disagree with.

In the west these preachings (amongst other things) are leading to declining religious participation across the board as more and more people acknowledge their gay brothers and sisters as being just people like anyone else, and come to a greater understanding of sexuality in general. Even children can see through the nonsense that some preachers would have them believe.

But this insipid moral retardation that has been actively spread to Africa by western preachers puts people's lives in real danger for the simple crime of being in love with someone of the same sex, and for the sole reason that it makes some people feel icky.

The instruction to grow up would help the faithful no end, if only they were honest enough to accept it. But it's not going to be enough to stop the mobs lynching and killing people who have committed no real crime.

Have the moral conviction to do the right thing and think about what you're saying, rather than to say what Jeff admits above; "Hey it doesn't make sense, but I'm just going to do what I'm told".

Boy JH you sure took my statements out of context. I said "I may not understand what the meaning of some scripture is but I still accept it by faith just as I do my salvation." I did not say I just do what I am told. A Christian would be crazy to do that.

To say that to be against homosexuality is barbarism is a new one to me JH. To me homosexual practice is the height of barbarism because it not only goes against God but it goes against nature itself.

When God speaks to us through His Word it is not an optional thing for us to review and decide if it is true or not. It is not subjective truth it is objective truth. I know people do not want to listen to the truth and that is why we are in the mess we are in. That said, because someone does not want to accept the truth does not make that truth any less true.

Let me challenge you and all who reject what I am saying. Read the Bible and ask God's real Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth. You will be freed from bondage to sin and will be made new. We do not have to understand all of it but we can trust it for our lives and ultimately our salvation.

Why is "the gay issue" more important than the "covetous" issue, the "slander issue", the "deceit issue", the "back-bite issue", the "lazy Christian issue" let alone the "adultery issue", the "not attending worship issue", the "wont lift a finger to help at church" issue or a thousand other issues?! People of faith have so many ways to demonstrate the power of the love, mercy, justice and grace of God. Homosexual behavior is sinful. But so is most human behavior not motivated by a love for the Lord. The way this issue has been isolated an argued (by Christians) does not "adorn the doctrine" of Christ. We need to "speak the truth in love" and should not expect a fair hearing for a hard (to many) truth if the love is not there. So many of us are ready to cast the first stones......alas.

Homosexual sex acts are unholy and they take away your humanity.

Wow, Jeff, “Uganda is on the wrong track here.” How very blithe of you. I kind of think you tone might be different if this was an abortion law. But then again we all know how much Evangelical Christians “love” homosexuals. They love homosexuals in the same way that fruit roll-ups are considered “all natural”. Actually if you reread Jesus’ parable of the Samaritan you might understand that happens to be a commandment, not a suggestion. Then compare and contrast the Southern Baptist response to one of their own, Jimmy Allen (former president of the SBC) when members of his family contracted AIDS. One would have thought they might have been considered “innocent” victims, but I guess not. Still waiting for the SBC to act in the spirit of repentance on that one, but I won’t hold my breath.

So let’s all agree that all homosexuals are wicked sinners. Blah de blah blah, that Evangelicals “love”. Now let’s address the actual article. The problem for homosexuals is that now they will be hunted down by police, politicians, and newspapers murdered or imprisoned for life. I’ve already seen Tony Perkins cackling for joy. The problem for you guys is that the law is written such that people you actually care about will also be put in danger: counselors, relatives, landlords and friends could receive the same punishment. By the way, disagreeing with the law is also illegal.

Uganda is sovereign nation and I believe that they are entitled to make any ridiculously stupid and immoral law they want. I would think them more Christian, if they let their sinning homosexuals quietly seek asylum in a safer country. Pride wont let them though.

http://americablog.com/2012/11/uganda-death-penalty-gays.html

The problem is that the media never prints the proposed gay bill for the world to read and interpret for themselves, instead the Gay propaganda is published every day to depict the law as ' a hate law'. Uganda uses the same standard against heterosexual s , why should that become to much for homo ,s if they are Normal? The proposed law condemns aggravated homosexuality ,and proposes death if you practice aggravated homosexuality . So please if the west have found it enjoyable to have rapists ,and pedophelias then they would rather provide asylum for the offenders. This would mean that all involved in aggravated homosexuality be sent to the abroad where they are understood better.

I believe that people should be who they want to be. Yes, I believe in God, but I believe that people can change. Don't kill them just for being gay. That's not right. I think we should give them a chance, and honestly it's none of our business if they are gay or not. If this passes, do you think anyone would honestly admit to being gay...I mean think about it. Let the gay be gay and let the straight be straight. This world is full of sin, and there is much worse then being gay. I have many gay friends, that I would hate to see get hurt or get killed because they were who they wanted to be.

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