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August 16, 2008

More on Obama and abortion

CBN's David Brody interviewed Sen. Barack Obama right after the Saddleback forum, and when he asked about the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, Obama became pretty heated.

"They have not been telling the truth ... I have said repeatedly that I would be completely support of the federal bill, which is to say that you would provide assistance to any infant that was born. ... That was not the bill that was presented at the state level. It was trying to undermine Roe v. Wade."

Brody will post the full video later tonight.

This is cross-posted from CT's liveblog.


Obama has been claiming this for a while, but the NRLC recently dug up the actual bills, compared them, and found them to be virtually identical. They show the differences between the two bills, and they basically all consist of the words "United States" with "Illinois."

So either Obama or the NRLC is lying. I think it's pretty obvious which is more likely.

My previous link didn't come through, so here it is:

Whenever comparing what people (or organizations) say, always look to their motives.

The NRLC's motive is to save lives by oppposing abortion, embryonic stem cell research, assisted suicide, and euthanasia.

Obama's motive is to get elected. He also wants to keep the support of NARAL and the money of Planned Parenthood's PAC.

So, who would seem to be more truthful in this area?

There must be two Obama's. Just listened to the speech he gave at Planned Parenthood and it certainly was different than what he stated at Saddleback church. It was an interesting comentary on the man Obama. Also thought his statement about when life begins was above his paygrade was interesting. When dealing with someone's life if there is any doubt in your mind it seems you should stand for life. If there is a glass of water that might have poison in it, I certainly would not proceed to drink it. There would be no second chance. Life is like that.

Washington Post, 4-2-08, Michael Gerson column:
"But Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life."


Partial birth abortion is the rare time that an abortion is really necessary. As the baby is being delivered it is discovered that the baby's head is swollen up three times as big as the normal and the baby will forever be brain dead. Cesareans are very dangerous when the baby is in the birth canal. If the baby is delivered it will forever be brain dead and require intensive care until it dies. There are about 30 of these cases a year.

Ignorant Christians outlawing this mother saving operation is very sad to me. Pastors and teachers that are unaware of these facts are shaping the minds of the trusting flock into a false worldview.

Supporting a total ban on abortions is foolish for a couple of reasons. The main one that the Supreme court will never accept a abortion bill that does not allow for extreme medical emergencies. By demanding an all inclusive abortion bill it insures there will never be an abortion bill. If there were a bill that allowed for extreme cases (which are very few) then the not so extreme cases (which there are millions) could be legislated against.
we could have a bill against abortions if it had a medical life saving clause.

The across the board ban on abortions is not saving lives and will never work. This hard-headed position is wrong.

It may be better for brain-dead babies to die and get a bill passed that outlaws abortions for birth control or otherwise healthy people.

Funny how scripture says nothing directly about abortion and the the bible clearly teaches that life begins at first breath, yet this issue becomes a political pivot point. Perhaps this issue is all about politics and the church is becoming a front for political issues.

The Bible clearly teaches that life begins at conception.