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August 26, 2008

Shaun Casey's evangelical outreach

Shaun Casey, a professor of Christian ethics at Wesley Theological Seminary is coordinating evangelical outreach for Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign. As he walked to a meeting, we spoke about how the religious outreach at this convention is different from 2004.

"It’s completely different in the sense that there were only sort of side groups talking about religion, and here it is the party itself at the heart of what it’s doing. That’s a radical departure.

What did you think about the interfaith service?
You heard a variety of views, clearly no screening of the speakers. You heard a variety of positions taken and embraced. It showed the diversity of the Democratic Party and its openness to evangelicals, there were mainliners. It was an accurate reflection of the diversity of the party.

What do you think about the Democratic platform on abortion?
It’s something that evangelicals ought to take quite seriously that the Democratic Party has made a commitment to reducing the number of abortions without reverting to criminalization. Based on my conversations with evangelicals, I think that resonates, I think a lot of evangelicals find that attractive, they find that helpful and hopeful, and it’s a reflection of who Sen. Obama is.

Barack Obama’s sympathetic, he’s open to evangelical voices, he’s serious about global poverty, domestic poverty, global climate change. I think a lot of young evangelicals will find that very, very attractive."

Comments

Every sane person wants to reduce the number of abortions. That argument coming from the political Left is simply a red herring, a refusal to acknowledge and discuss the true issue at stake: the sanctity of human life.

Please read through the 2008 Democratic National Committee Platform (you can find it online through a simple search). Here is the exact wording regarding abortion:

"The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right."

There is simply no way an authentic Christian can side with that belief. There may be those who try to rationalize it away, but at some point we need to be honest with ourselves and honest with God. The taking of innocent life under the guise of "choice" is a gross manipulation of language and morality.

Let us not be afraid to speak the truth where the truth no longer resides.

Obama wants federal tax money to go towards paying for abortion - give free money and the amount of abortions will go UP. That is a fact.

I fail to see how "reducing" the number of abortions should resonate with evangelicals. Should it resonate with us if the number of babies aborted drops to "only" 1,000,000 each year? How many abortions do Democrats want to see performed each year and should they expect evangelicals give their approval to that number? How many abortions are "acceptable losses" in order to put Obama in the White House?

“'Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,' he said. 'I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.'" - Barack Obama (March 29, 2008)

I fail to see why a man who sees babies as "punishment" would want to curb abortions. It sounds like he encourages them. To believe that the Democratic Party wants to reduce abortions is to either be deceived or ignorant/unconcerned of their platform.


The attempt by Shaun Casey to provide a patina of respectability to the Democratic Party on the issue of abortion is surely doomed to fail. No whitewashing can clean and make amenable the Party's platform statement on abortion:

"The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.”

Notice the change? Previously, it was safe, legal, and rare. Now there is no rare. The intent is obvious - choice always trumps the rights of the unborn, which is consistent with why Obama could not honestly answer Rick Warren's question on human rights. Rights begin when a woman chooses. Anyone who thinks Obama's message implies something else is simply living in an alternative universe.

I'm not Catholic, but their approach is appealing, when they say the following must always be asked to justify abortion: what other policy, will you tell the children in heaven, was so important that it superceded their right to live?

If Sean Casey truly cared about lowering abortions, he wouldn't be giving a scent of open-mindedness to the fervently pro-choice Obama campaign, which will do everything in its power to roll back the abortion restrictions approved by states (and at least momentarily protected by the high court). Casey should work with Feminists for Life, who are pushing practical options for pregnant women.

I've been to Africa--where I saw babies dying in the dirt; rampant malaria, leprosy and starvation. That experience affected how I now view "The Poor" in the U.S. Most of The Poor in the U.S. have color TV, a roof over their heads and access to free education and Food Stamps. "The Poor" has simply become a war cry for politicians who want more power for themselves. IMHO. One simple answer to abortion: adoption. I have two close family members who had to go out of the country to adopt. We Americans prefer abortion. It is unfathomable to me that there are Christian leaders out there today, like Tony Campolo, Jim Wallis, and that Miller fellow who have figured out ways to justify something like abortion which has to be the most atrocious abomination to the heart of God than anything else I can think of in modern times. It smacks of sheer deception. The condoning of abortion by Christians leaves me speechless. So this is how the Church now beckons the little ones.

There are many, many young Christians who listen to leaders like Tony Campolo, Jim Wallis et al. When I read/listen to their unbelievable excuses and reasons for tolerating aborting the life of a God created "least of these", one of the things that always comes to mind is the scripture from Luke---"It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble." These guys WILL answer for leading their little "flock" of followers to accept the "theology" that murder of unborn babies is legitimate doctrine.

To some of the others posting here, I would ask: suppose you were in a burning building and had only enough time to get out and save either a box containing hundreds of frozen IVF embryos, or a two-year-old child? What would be your choice?

The man who could not bring himself to oppose INFANTICIDE four times in the Illinois State Legislature has actually been able to hire an "Evangelical Outreach" coordinator? The church is many things, but I did not think it a home for unrepentant prostitutes.

When I read your comments in "The Christian Chronicle" I was saddened to realize how far from God's word some of our "Christian" (church of Christ) universities have gotten. I remind you of Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and for ever." What was sin then is still sin today. Murder is sin!!! Maybe it would be wise for Mr. Casey to read his Bible more. How can you claim that Mr. Obama is a "committed Christian?"

When I read your comments in "The Christian Chronicle" I was saddened to realize how far from God's word some of our "Christian" (church of Christ) universities have gotten. I remind you of Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and for ever." What was sin then is still sin today. Murder is sin!!! Maybe it would be wise for Mr. Casey to read his Bible more. How can you claim that Mr. Obama is a "committed Christian," when the preacher in the church he belong to preached hate?

My response to Shaun Casey: I ask your prayers on behalf of 3288 unborn babies who are being killed today in the United States. And tomorrow I will ask for your prayers on behalf of the next 3288 unborn babies who will be killed that day. I think we have failed on the "rare" part. - Kenneth Mick

One political party and one presidential candidate are proud that this circumstance is made possible.
From the Democratic platform 2008

"Because we believe in the privacy and equality of women, we stand proudly for a woman's right to choose, consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of her ability to pay. We stand firmly against Republican efforts to undermine that right. At the same time, we strongly support family planning and adoption incentives. Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."

They stand proudly, without apology or regret.

The prudent will keep silent in such a time; for it is an evil time.
Amos 5:13

Let's think rationally according to the way our country has operated in the past.

When alcohol was made illegal in the 1920's, the government lost all regulation on its distribution, simply because distribution itself was illegal. The power then fell into the hands of people like Al Capone - the bad guys. When it was legalized, the government regained it's control and was able to regulate the distribution by setting a legal drinking age, regulating the alcohol percentages in beer, etc.

We see the same thing now with other illegal drugs. Government regulation is non existent, and the power is in the hands of bad people more often than not. The drug user is at the mercy of whoever has the drug. The drugs are still there, a littler harder to find, but they are still there. Only now its the bad guys who are making it, putting who knows what into whatever they feel like.

Now lets talk about abortion. If we make it illegal, the government will no longer regulate it. Hospitals and abortion clinics and other safe, clean places of operation will have to turn away all the scared teenagers who can't afford to raise a kid, or the rape victims who didn't choose to be in the position they are in. They will panic and won't know where to turn and the bad guys will be there. Only it will be in peoples basements. Only it will be in the form of some harmful drug that some random person made in their kitchen.

I'm not saying i am pro abortion, or pro drug. I am honestly against those things. It's going to happen, regardless of the squabbling masses of ignorant populace thinking they live in a world where illegal things simply don't exist.

When hospitals and abortion clinics have to shut their doors, criminals looking to make some money will open theirs.