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August 18, 2008

Rick Warren to God-o-Meter: Obama, Dems Can't Just Talk Faith

In an interview with Beliefnet's God-o-Meter on the day after his Saddleback Civil Forum with John McCain and Barack Obama, the Rev. Rick Warren sounded pretty dubious about Barack Obama's and the Democrats' chances of making inroads among evangelicals. The full interview will run Monday on Beliefnet. Here's a preview:

Before last night, McCain had been widely criticized by Christian activists for keeping mum about his faith and about values issues like abortion and marriage Last night seemed to change that. How much headway did McCain make among skeptical evangelicals?

I'm a pastor, I'm not a prophet, so I would not predict how evangelicals are going to vote. I will tell you they're not monolith. That's a big myth. They're going to make up their minds based on the hierarchy of their values. For many evangelicals, of course, if they believe that life begins at conception, that's a deal breaker for a lot of people. If they think that life begins at conception, then that means that there are 40 million Americans who are not here [because they were aborted] that could have voted. They would call that a holocaust and for them it would like if I'm Jewish and a Holocaust denier is running for office. I don't care how right he is on everything else, it's a deal breaker for me. I'm not going to vote for a Holocaust denier...

It all depends on the hierarchy of their worldview of what matters most to them. My gut reaction when it was over was that Obama will pick up probably some younger votes and McCain will probably pick up some older votes and it might come down to which group winds up showing up that the polls.

The Democrats recently added language to their party platform that they say is aimed at reducing demand for abortion. Do you think it represents a significant step toward a pro-life position?

It is a step, there's no doubt about that. I've been getting a lot of feedback on it. I was out of the country and people starting writing me about it. The general perception was 'Too little too late--window dressing". I'm not saying I would say this, because I haven't even read it, but what I was hearing form people was that [Democrats] were saying 'It's OK to be pro-life and be a Democrat now. In other words, 'You can join us. We're not changing our firm commitment to Roe v. Wade, but you can now join us.' Well, for a person who thinks that abortion is taking a life, I'm sure that's not going to be very satisfactory to most of those people. And to put it in right at the last minute at the end of a campaign, there was some question about that: Why are they doing this?

When you asked Obama about when life begins, he punted, saying 'it's above my pay grade.' Should someone running for the highest office in the land have a clear answer to that, or is that kind of ambivalence acceptable?

No. I think he needed to be more specific on that. I happen to disagree with Barack on that. Like I said, he's a friend. But to me, I would not want to die and get before God one day and go, 'Oh, sorry, I didn't take the time to figure out' because if I was wrong then it had severe implications to my leadership if I had the ability to do something about it. He should either say, 'No scientifically, I do not believe it's a human being until X' or whatever it is or to say, 'Yes, I believe it is a human being at X point,' whether it's conception or anything else. But to just say 'I don't know' on the most divisive issue in America is not a clear enough answer for me.

That's why to say that evangelicals are a monolith is a myth, but the other thing is that you've been hearing a lot of the press talk about 'Well, evangelicals are changing, they're now interested in poverty and disease and illiteracy, and all the stuff I've been talking about for five years now. And I have been seeding that into the evangelical movement and it's getting picked up and a lot of people are talking about doing humanitarian efforts. But I really think it's wishful thinking on a lot of people who think they're going to drop the other issues. They're not leaving pro-life, I'm just trying to expand the agenda....

If an evangelical really believes that the Bible is literal--in other word in Psalm 139 God says 'I formed you in your mother's womb and before you were born I planned every day of your life,' if they believe that's literally true, then they can't just walk away from that. They can add other issues, but they can't walk away from the belief that at conception God planned that child and to abort it would be to short circuit the purpose.

Then it sounds like it would be unconscionable for an evangelical to vote for a pro-choice candidate like Obama.

Well, we're going to see what happens. All I can say is you'll see what happens. This is why there's a difference between simply talking the lingo... after the 2004 election the Democratic pundits were saying 'The Democrats lost in '04 because they didn't talk the language of faith.' And actually that's kind of, not paternalistic, but it's talking down. It's basically saying 'If you just get the right words, then they'll think you've got the lingo.' And just because a person can say 'God' and 'Jesus' and 'salvation' and whatever doesn't mean they have a worldview. And people want to know what do they believe, not just their personal faith. It's just like how many different beliefs do Jews and Christians have and still call themselves Christians or Jews? It's all over the spectrum.

Some Obama supporters are claiming that McCain saw the questions before the forum began, giving him a leg up on Obama.

They're dead wrong. That's just sour grapes. They both did fantastically well. The only question he knew, I gave them the first question and I was changing the questions within an hour [before the forum began.] I talked to both of them a week before the debate and told them all the themes. I talked personally to John McCain and I talked personally to Barack Obama. I said, 'We'll talk about leadership, talk about the roles of government,' I said I'd probably have a question about climate change, probably a question on the courts. I didn't say, 'I'm going to ask which Supreme Court justice would you not [nominate]. They were clearly not prepared for that.

A source at the debate tells me that McCain had access to some communications devices in the few minutes before he went on stage with you and that there was a monitor in his green room, in violation of the debate rules.

That's absolutely a lie, absolutely a lie. That room was totally free, with no monitors--a flat out lie.

(Originally posted at God-o-Meter.)

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I thought that we were to believe that Rick Warren and the forum were to be non-biased and free of political maneuvering. I don't think that was the case because I watched it and he was clearly biased in favor of McCain. It was quite subtle, but definitely there. I also think he is wrong that evangelicals cannot vote for Obama because of the abortion issue. There are many who die from causes other than abortion, and McCain has no plans to address these issues, or seemingly doesn't care about them--children dying in Iraq and Darfur, citizens dying around the world from AIDS and other disease and starvation. People dying in the US from lack of health care. I find little compassion in John McCain--war seems to be his priority and the poor have no voice with him. It is a mistake to assume that abortion (even though I disagree with the premise) will determine form whom I will vote.

Hi all,


If Obama does not even understand the abortion issue, how can he ever deliver any changes? He obviously does not understand that America's moral decline is it's biggest threat and the main cause of poverty, injustice, illness, drinking problems, homelessness etc etc. What does Obama plan to change then, and how?

A tongue may talk the talk, but the mind must first walk the walk.

Kind regards from Adelaide, Australia Dieter Fischer www.dieterfischer.com

Obama's responses are a real negative when compared to McCain's. He talked in circles and said nothing of substance. His view is "the neighborhood and the streets" instead of global. He might do well in a touchy feely management position of a neighborhood community center but most certainly not as head of the greatest country on earth. Our enemies would eat us alive!!

It's about time someone with a head on his shoulders and a significant audience has spoken straightly. God help us "evangelicals" and all those who call themselves Christians to see past the rhetoric of it all and look at reality.

I think it was very real and very humble and very wise for Obama to state that he does not get to say when life begins. There are some things too sacred - like life - to be a fit subject for politicians.

Conception and the acceptance of the gift of life is part of an intimate and holy relationship between God and his daughters, to whom this gift is entrusted. It is presumptous to think that the means and movement of how this miracle unfolds, and precisely how and when, is something within our knowing and legislating.

Interfering with the relationship between God and his children in matters of conception, by the application of human judgments and regulation, is just a different flavor of obscenity from interference with the bringing forth of the gift of life. Both seek to control outcomes that are best left to God.

Until a child is sustainable outside the body of the mother, it is, whether we like it or not, a matter that belongs between the soul of that mother, and God.

Life clearly begins in the womb. I have a little being right now that moves and stretches. No question, democrats get it wrong. My problem comes in with the idea that this is the ONLY 'sanctity of life' issue. Obama made the point that abortion has NOT gone down over Bush's 8 years. Also, what about how we behave in war, even THAT we go to war. What about 'caring for the least of these'. Children in our own country suffer under our "health care system". Republicans, to me, seem to get the first part right, but once a child is actually born, believe it is the parent's wealth that determines the child's health care and education quality. Think about it. I know a child who almost died because she could not receive adequate medication and health care, where do you draw the line on sanctity of life issues?

I suppose for evangelicals like Rick Warren, who hate to be called fundamentalists, it does boil down to insisting on literal interpretations of English translations of ancient, Middle Eastern tribal writings, such as Psalm 139, that supposedly came directly from Israel's God up in the sky. So, what we have learned about sex, conception and human reproduction over the past hundred years doesn't count; and we're to check our brains at the church door. And if soneone fails to spout our particular narrow line or to agree with us on every issue under the sun, God will join us in judging that person wicked and unacceptable. My, my, what silly and sad ways of trying to understand reality in this day and age.

"Both did fantastically well." Spoken like a true friend. Both were relatively at ease, and answered based on what they believe. But if one compares their content to the Bible, Obama falls far shorter than Mccain.

.....or so it seems to me

While I didn't watch the presentation, Rick makes some good points
here. I hope that Jim Wallis is reading these words -- not that
he and his Sojourners sycophants are likely to abandon their
wishy-washiness and doublespeak any time soon!

If a television show had asked Harry S. Truman those questions back in 1948, he would have told them "Go to Hell." Faith is a personal matter, and these far-right, fundamentalists, and nutty religionists are going to wreck the Republican Party just as Barry Goldwater said they would in 1997. When Barry Goldwater died, Conservatism died. There is not a conservative among all these fundamentalists and far-right nuts. -Wendell Franklin Wentz

Many African Americans are Democrats, and they fill the pews every Sunday. Warren asked Obama when should human rights begin, not when does life begin. If you really believe that human rights begin at conception, you would do more than outlaw abortion. You would ensure that every woman has access to good prenatal heealthcare, not just the ones whose husbands have left them, as is the case in some states. Pregnant moms would have guaranteed paid pregnancy leave, rather than this unpaid FMLgarbage that only the upper eschelon can afford, and most likely don't even need it.

The Republican Party has been using the Christian lingo for years, and I have not heared a peep out of Warren and his ilk. It seems to me that there is one set of rules for white candidates and a different rule for black ones. McCain is an adulterer, Obama has been faiothful to his wife their entire marriage. I'm not pro-choice, but this country has, for too long, given the lower class few options, crowded us into ghettoes, treated us like beasts, warehoused us in prisons, and allowed our educational systems to decay. After all that, because they throw a shout out to God, I'm supposed to ignore everything else that the party does. PLEASE! I knew that Obama was wasting his time at Saddleback. He should have had someone like Bishop Charles E. Blake of West Angeles COGIC, Bishop Noel Jones of City of Refuge Church, or Bishop T.D. Jakes of the Potter's House to host this debate.

I doubt McCain would come to one of those churches, though; it isn't his demographic. CNN, Fox, and MSNBC might be to scared to come to our side of town anyway.

The whole thing was a dog and pony show. Any sane person could tell the questions were in McLair's hands before the show. Can you imagine Harry S. Truman showing up for such an affair? The religious right and far-right religionists are not conservatives. Barry Goldwater was interviewed in 1997 by U.S. News, and he told them that the religionists and far-right fundamentalists were going to wreck the Republican Party, and he said it in strong words that were printed. When Goldwater died, conservatism died. -Wendell Franklin Wentz

This is outside of topic but I am surprised to learn from this interview that evangelical humanitarian concern seems to be a fairly recent phenomenon in the US. Back in the early 1970's when I was a pastor among slum dwellers in the Philippines, I got help from World Vision and Compassion Philippines. PHILRADS, the relief and development arm of the Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches helped us do typhoon and fire relief. Some very conservative Baptist groups were building hospitals in the country. By the 1980's our church had its own social services department. As a Filipino pastor, I am thankful for the many unknown churches and individual Christians in the US who responded to the suffering of people outside of their own land. My congregation was already a beneficiary of that humanitarian response more than 30 years ago.

I have lost all the respect that I had for Rick Warren after this dog and pony show. The compassion forum at Messiah College during the primaries was a more balanced and fair question and answer session. McCain was fed the questions ahead of time, or he would have looked more like the doddering codger that we normally see when he has to answer unrehearsed. I used to respect John McCain as well, but in the last two months, he has become a puppet for the Karl Rove GOP operatives. So much for being a maverick.

When someone says the the Christians should stay out of politic
I totally disagree. That's the trouble with this country, since
Roe vr Wade the Christians have remained silent and look at what
this country has become. I'm sure God is very pleased we have set
on our behind and let evil take over. When we as Christens do
nothing we will/get what we deserve.

I'm not exactly sure how anyone who has even slept through middle school thinks that life begins at the moment of conception. Life began eons ago, and is continued through the process of conception. Granted, the discovery of the mammalian egg was only a little more than two hundred years ago, and conservative Christians understandably don't like their beliefs challenged, but really.

There is no moment of conception, and life began a long, long time ago. There are significant milestones in conception, of course, but those are more our social constructs than biology.

That there is no moment of conception in which life began, a sexist thing to believe anyway, doesn't mean that there aren't arguments for making abortion illegal, but...it does require a little more gray matter activity than self righteous proclamations.

Certainly, making a rather metaphysical misconception of a non-event the basis of law and a theology, especially when it stands in the way of a law abiding womans' decisions on how to order her life, present and future, is simply not good for anyone.

It creates cognitive dissonance, unnecessary discontent, anomie, unfortunately decisions or fatalism, don't you think?

Rick Warren did a pretty good job with the questions. McCain did a far better job with the answers than Obama who once again displayed his inexperience, and lack of subject matter knowledge. 40+ million murdered babies are a fact that this country will, and is answering for. When Obama said the greatest moral mistake the U.S. had made was failure to care for the poor, when we have welfare, Social Security, food stamps, disability, shelters, churches, little or no tax obligation, as we look the other way while innocent blood is taken (One of the 7 things God hates) Obama has it wrong about abortion, how to help the poor, the energy crisis, taxes, health care, immigration, the military, and world affairs. His reaction to the Russian invasion of Georgia was down right scary. Obama would be a disaster as president that our nation might not survive

Why would be one surprised at Rick Warren’s thoughts? All one had to do was look at the audience, all white and older that still has not and will not accept by a sizable majority the presidency of an African American, no matter how superior he is. After all he gets his money to build mega church from these rich folks who live in their segregated gated enclaves, no integration her, and would like shift the tax burden to middle and poor families, keep their children in like private chartered schools and get subsidies from tax payers, get rid of unions.
We will never know the reaction of a leader if an African American church or African American audience; as such an event will be considered racist and would be a night mare not only for McCain but also for Obama can’t not afford a ringing public endorsement of African Americans for the fear of scaring of white voters. The reality of older generation and those in power is all men are created equal so long they are whites. It is a sad reality but there is hope for change, hopefully in not too distant future.

I was most pleased Warren didn't again vouch for both being Christians. From their statements, I feel McCain could be a redeemed child of God, but I am unable to recognize such in Obama who failed to connect “Jesus died for my sins” with his own salvation.

Obama was deliberative and McCain decisive. The difference. perhaps, between a nervous novice and a confident professional. It reminds me my doctoral dissertation in which I tried to anticipate every possible criticism in comparison to what I am willing to assert as an accredited scholar. McCain took the risk of being misunderstood, and Obama took the risk of being not understood. McCain gave simple answers to some complicated questions, and Obama offered nuances that appeared more evasive.

I don't understand: "But if one compares their content to the Bible, Obama falls far shorter than McCain."

Obama at least thinks about the Golden Rule, he THINKS. McCain coasts on his reputation made when I was a kid. Mostly what he appears to think about these days is pandering to voter blocks to get what he thinks he's entitled to, the Presidency ...mostly because he's a McCain and as a McCain, with their slave holding past and the accomplishments of his father and grandfather, are simply entitled to power, just because. Poor Lincoln's bones are probably in a state of great agitation at having a states' rights activist as a candidate in the former Party of Lincoln. I saw McCain on Charley Rose...McCain should be impeached for sedition, not elected President.

States' rights, what Confederates said they fought for, what Jim Crow said was the reason it could do what it did, what Strom Thurmond named his white-power, segregationist third party; the political theory of white privilege, male privilege, class privilege, Protestant privilege, and then and now, morally and intellectually bankrupt. States' rights, both very American, and always deeply against the highest American ideals.

The Navy didn't think McCain was fit for leadership as a Full Admiral, his careers have always been handed to him as something he was entitled to, however admirably he responded when things went horrible wrong back when I was a kid. There is little compelling reason to think a rather shallow, though witty, opportunist should be Commander in Chief.

Emily,

Obama may have "made the point that abortions have NOT gone down over Bush's 8 years," but it wasn't actually true. Abortions are at their lowest rate since 1976, dropping 9% between 2000 and 2005.

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/16/AR2008011603624.html

This was as much about Warren as either Obama or McCain. Its interesting that a generation or two ago, such a forum would have been held at Riverside Church in NY or at the National Cathedral, both citadels of Protestant liberalism. In those days liberal Protestants still thought they ran America, and that the mainline demoninations existed to make America work. Now that liberalism and the mainline have declined, its evangelicals' turn (so they think) to run America and to make it work. This is why Rick Warren is "America's Pastor." He is certainly not a representative of the priestly and prophetic office traditionally identified with the pastoral vocation. He is a celebrity, and that's what this forum was about: Rick Warren is now the new king maker (move over Dobson). What happened to the Church?

Oh my. Confrontational doesn't even begin to describe some of you. The candidate you've decided to back comes across sounding more like a 13 year old than a U. S. Senator and presidential candidate, and all you can do is bash Rick Warren? You sound like the whiny Democrats on tonight's news, accusing McCain of having access to the questions. I have never met Rick Warren, but to make the statement that the event was biased towards Senator McCain is an insult to one of today's greatest Christian leaders, and the people of Saddleback Church. Senator Obama is an empty suitcase. Without his handlers and teleprompters, he cannot function. And he cannot function because he has no real ideas. God help America and the world if he gets elected. As much as I dislike Hillary, she'd be a far better choice than Obama.

I didn't get to see the forum. We were moving my daughter into her college apt. However, I do resent the accusations of this being a dog and pony show. Had Obama actually thought about it, he would have had a good idea of what kind (and perhaps even precisely what) questions would have been asked. Obviously McCain and/or entourage thought this out ahead of time more precisely and were able to be more on target. There is always the understanding that he is old enough to believe that becoming a politician does NOT mean checking your own beliefs and morals at the door, to be ignored until no longer in public service.
I may not agree completely with either candidate's positions, however I can assure that all things else being equal, I will vote for the candidate who still holds his beliefs strongly enough to state them publicly and stand on them. Having a strong belief system gives a public servant a place of refuge in the craziness of politics and gives his constituents the assurance that he won't 'cave' to the first special intrest group that comes along, regardless of how their demands will affect the public as a whole.
Today, a great many American voters are looking for someone who has some views in line with theirs, and otherwise has the backbone and intelligence to stand up for what he/she believes in.
As to the Andrew who suggested that all Christians 'check (their)brains at the church door'. How sad for your experience that you have never met the Christian who has been taught to research what he/she believes and to actively defend that belief. My dad is definitely Christian, but he didn't let any of his children declare themselves, without starting in on making us defend our positions. As a result, none of us have ideas that completely agree with our dad, our mom, or one another. We also can defend our beliefs while accepting others with differing beliefs and treating them with respect.
But not voting for someone because he crosses my strongly held beliefs doesn't de facto make me an idiot, a redneck, or anything but a concerned voter, doing my job as a citizen with intelligence, verve and care.
Here's hoping everyone who votes this Nov. will put thought and care into that action. Here's calling on all Christians who vote this Nov. to do so prayerfully and with the understanding that we will give and answer to God as to WHY we voted as we did. The why of our vote will be of much greater intrest to Jesus Christ than the who/what of our vote.
And sitting out a vote is probably in line with the unfaithful servant mentioned in the Bible, who took the money his master gave him, put it in a safe place and returned that exact amount later, all completely safe. He was NOT praised for his actions, but rather punished. When God gives us an opportunity, He will require that we explain our actions, and inaction isn't an acceptable reply.

The questions were hard for Obama, and I am sure he knew they would be. What courage and boldness to step forth and let us see his faith- which he said would let us see him and the Lord would make sure the right candidate was chosen. What imagination and creativity he has to avoid the complexity, claiming ignorance, with such a circumspect and brilliant mind. What discipline and perseverance to face a hostile crowd after months on the campaign trail and a recent vacation. He is a formidable foe- ask Keyes, one of the best pro-life orators, and Edwards, one of the best pro-choice orators. Out of his mouth comes, "unto the least of these". Can we say the totally dependent fetus, unable to survive outside its mother's womb, is a counterfeit human, or is his "unto the least of these" a counterfeit. Satan's counterfeit for love is lust, for prayer is worry, for charity is greed-pretty lousy counterfeits if you are looking for similarity- the basis of most successful counterfeits. Is Obama's boldness and courage, imagination and creativity, discipline and perseverance, kindness and charity counterfeit? Does he walk in a manner worthy of the calling he has been called, with humility and gentleness, patient, foregoing others in love, being diligent to preserve the unity of the spirit, or is his walk a counterfeit? I think he thinks not. He came pretty close to convincing me Sat night, even though I thought he would never let me forget the humiliation he gave my man Keyes. with the tie that binds cbjmd

Hi, you'all
Maybe someone already ask this, if so I'm sorry. But my question is, if electing a war monger and anti-poor republican suffice to end abortion, tell me why after two terms of such a leadership abortion has not ended. Please, show yourself to be a respectful listener of Obama's response. He does not show himself to be pro-abortion, but I understand how that can be difficult for those who only see black and white to understand.

It's funny that Rick Warren picks the isolated verse of Psalm 139 to justify his theology on abortion. Which theology teacher taught him that that's how one does theology with poetic literature? Is he willing then to use the imprecations of the Psalms as well? How does he use them as pastor?
Also he claims that he is not a prophet but a pastor, meaning that he cannot predict the future. It is sad that that's how prophetic ministry came to mean for all evangelicals. But actually the American geopolitical sphere needs prophets, not in terms of those who predict future, but in terms of those who challenge establish powers, who speak against mistreatment of the poor, who open the eyes of the few wealthy who pretend to help the poor by actually enslaving them in their gimmick welfare, food stamps, social security programs. This culture just does not need pastors a la Warren who are there to care for sinners and keep getting sinners' money to build their mansions called Megachurches just like John Calvin preached every week to those who were funding his reformation that did not keep him from being a murderer, killing or approving the killing of those like the Anabaptists who disagreed with him.

Hi, you'all
Maybe someone already ask this, if so I'm sorry. But my question is, if electing a war monger and anti-poor republican suffice to end abortion, tell me why after two terms of such a leadership abortion has not ended. Please, show yourself to be a respectful listener of Obama's response. He does not show himself to be pro-abortion, but I understand how that can be difficult for those who only see black and white to understand.

It never ceases to amaze me at how thoughtless and ignorant so many evangelicals really are about the complex issues facing our country. But hey, it explains why Rick Warren's book sold 30 million copies. That he is a "mega-pastor" and does not even know that a biblical prophet does not predict the future but speaks truth into present realities is sad. Did he really get a doctoral degree at Fuller?

This forum was before an audience of evangelical voters. The moderator of the forum was a pastor of a large evangelical congregation. It does not speak well of Obama's supposedly superior intelligence if he could not foresee the type of questions he would be asked to address and not be ready with his answers. At best, Obama's performance was lukewarm and all he proved was that being POTUS is "above his pay grade."

Some of the comments about the interview that I have encountered in various media suggest that it was wrong for the Christian Church to even get involved in politics. The premise for some people is that Christians should just keep their nose out of elections. Everyone in America should read "The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States," first published in 1864. It took a decade to research and develope and is written by the son of a U.S. Senator and documents the involvement of the Christian Church in every phase of the develpement of America. This "magnum opus" of 1,060 pages is a primer for anyone who wants to know what part religion played in the formation of this great country. Had it not been for the involvement of pastors and laymen of America, slavery might still exist. We MUST take a page from history and stay involved! Ray Lane

on McCain's "Christian Values"....
It's so Ironic McCain always refers to his service in getting applause.
WHY?

McCain’s infidelity will come out soon. It is a story that will shock all. John McCain’s 1st wife stood by his side and waited for him while he was a POW. Then when he was released and sent to a Navy Hospital in Hawaii, his 1st wife was involved in a car accident and paralized. What did John McCain do? He went and had an affair with a Navy Nurse in Hawaii and divored his paralized wife. He then married the Navy Nurse.

To everyone reading this I pray for God to rain his Holy Spirit over you! It' a shame that anyone could think it's okay to be pro-abortion. A baby is always a baby once concieved. It is not our choice to take that baby's life. What if your parents made that decision? You wouldn't be here, of course. Think about it!!! The truth is we are all children of God and his word says one day whether you believe or not we will all stand before him and every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. See Philippians 2:9-11. We need to pray and ask God for wisdom in every decision we make. God is our Creator. As a christian believing that Jesus died on the cross for my sins, and asking him into my heart and life my decisions I pray are based on Biblical truth and Biblical values. I pray everyone reading this blog would have the desire to invite Jesus into their heart and life if you haven't done so already. This I know would be the best decision you will ever make! God Bless You!!!

Macain clearly voted for and campained on the position that abortion should be legal in cases of rape and insest. That makes him pro-abortion. If he has changed his position he should have clarified it. I think he lied and Rick Warren is either ignorant of Mccains real position or fixing the race in Mcains favor. It smells foul to me. If warren really wanted to see mcains faith he should have looked at his history. Abama's history is stellar Christian all the way. A life of Helping others through the church and social activisism.

Obama squirmed about the abortion question, but to my knowledge he has never been involved with causing one to happen.

Isn't the adultery question on the other side more pertinent? No sincere Evangelical can simply let the truth of McCain's first marriage slide out of sight without further investigation. It didn't "fail" as much as McCain deep-sixed it, even to the point of obtaining an Arizona marriage license for Cindy before the legal divorce to Carol had been granted. Is Rick Warren simply going to blithely let this sort of thing go? How even-handed is that?

After reading both candidates' answers to the questions put to them by Rick Warren it is quite clear to me that when it comes to straight answers to serious issues one of the two always seem to come up short.

On an issue as important to Americans as Abortion one cannot just say "I pass" when asked "when does life begin". One may be forgiven for saying "I honestly do no know", however this is my opinion". No serious contender for presidential office, no one with dozens of paid (and unpaid) advisors, no one with the backing of a party, and no one who pays any attention to what Evangelical feel and think should be allowed to get away with a virtual "no comment".

Smartness,smugness and being cute is no substitute for honesty and truth. After a while people will begin to see through the verbiage and start seperating the forest from the trees.

If I could say a word to both candidates it would be: cease the rhetoric, or as someone much wiser than both would say, "let your yes be yes and your no be no, anything else is sin".

Hey guys, the winner was Warren, which is what this was all about. While evangelicals argue over their favorite single issues, Rick has quite cleverly used their sincerity to position himelf as America's new political broker, even though he continues to insist that he is not "political." When I am asked about being evangelical, I am quick to answer "no," if "evangelical" has been defined by shallow popularizers like Warren. He asserted, in order to justify his forum, that faith and politics should not be separated; a statement with which all of us, arguably, can agree. The problem is that we have a theological and political lightweight like Warren showing us what that looks like. May God have mercy on us if this is the best we can do in representing the Gospel of Jesus Christ crucified to America.
MP

Obama was wrong in his statistics on abortion. He erroneously stated that abortion rates have increased in the last 8 years.

Abortion rates have decreased significantly in the last 8 years during the Bush Administration. Further, abortion rates are at their lowest in 30 years, per the Guttmacher Institute and reported by U.S. News and World Report earlier this year.

Obama was wrong in his statistics on abortion. He erroneously stated that abortion rates have increased in the last 8 years.

Abortion rates have decreased significantly in the last 8 years during the Bush Administration. Further, abortion rates are at their lowest in 30 years, per the Guttmacher Institute and reported by U.S. News and World Report earlier this year.

We do not need to have a terrorist attack on this country for our country is falling apart from within. We debate over a party or a particular person but we as a nation are missing it. "ONE NATION UNDER GOD"

Let us appease the latest fad (pick your sin), garner votes while trying to support all that it is wrong with this country. Major companies are now getting on the bandwagon of supporting sin and wrong and let's just sit back and watch this (once great country)that was founded on Biblical principles fade into darkness.

To the men who would argue all kinds of abstruse points so women will continue to be forced to submit to having their children torn from their wombs, I say, go fly a kite. Obama is clearly anti-child and anti-woman, even though he pretends otherwise. He is also anti anyone who works hard to achieve, which is strange, considering he got a prestigious degree himself. Warren actually did a better job than I expected. McCain's record on abortion is rock solid. I checked. He's wrong on rape and incest, and I have told him so. Neither of these crimes warrants giving the death penalty to the child. He seems educable. Obama has too many anti-freedom and anti-God influences. He would abandon us to the terrorists, and he would destroy our economy. He's not acceptable.

Reading God's Word, (Book of Malachi) we find, God was speaking to Religious Leaders when He said, (3-12) And all nations shall call you Blessed: for you shall be a delight-some land, saith the Lord of Hosts. God never make His Promise to Bless a Nation through it's Government! When a Nation has fallen like America, the Religious Leaders need not point their self righteousness finger at the Government for Blame, because God is pointing His finger back at you! The Only Hope for America, if My People will turn from their evil ways and their evil doings and Return unto Me, I will heal your Land. It's time we stop playing Church and get Right with God before It's too late for America!(Romans-11-20-22) Or, will America also be Cut Off?

I would love to question the Religious Leaders in the same way we see them question future members of the Government. I would like to question Rick Warren in the same way he did McCain and Obama. He ask the question, should the Government have any control over who they hire, while using Federal Funds? The Fact, Jesus Christ Himself paid taxes, the Church Does Not, pray tell me, why does the Church even receive Federal Funds? My second question to Rick Warren, what has the Church done with God's Tithes and Offering, do you not know, God will Judge the Church as to how we used His Tithes and Offering. (Matthew-25-33-46)

The Government also has the Right to know how and where every dime given to the Church was spent. Federal Money comes from Tax payers, some christians, some not, why do you think the Church, using Federal Funds should only hire christians?

(Malachi-3-10) Bring you all the Tithes unto the Storehouse, that there may be meat in Mine House, and prove Me now herewith, saith the Lord of Hosts, if I will not open you the window of Heaven, and pour you out a Blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive. With this in mind, pray tell me, can you not see, there is a Major Problem within today's Church? If the church was obedient unto Holy God as to how they used God's Tithes and Offering, according to God's Word, they would be no need of Federal Funds! Tell me why should the Church now be trusted with Federal Funds?