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September 30, 2008

Palin speaks to Couric about global warming, abortion, evolution, and homosexuality

Sarah Palin sat down with Katie Couric for another interview to discuss her views on global warming, abortion, the morning-after pill, evolution, and homosexuality.

CBS has not posted the video yet, but in the transcript below, she seems to distinguish her personal views from John McCain's when Couric asked her about abortion and the morning-after pill.

Palin was widely criticized for earlier interviews with Couric. "Her halting interview with Katie Couric on CBS News alarmed many Republicans and gave fodder for a devastating parody on Saturday Night Live," The New York Times wrote today.

Global Warming

Couric: What's your position on global warming? Do you believe it's man-made or not?

Palin: Well, we're the only Arctic state, of course, Alaska. So we feel the impacts more than any other state, up there with the changes in climates. And certainly, it is apparent. We have erosion issues. And we have melting sea ice, of course. So, what I've done up there is form a sub-cabinet to focus solely on climate change. Understanding that it is real. And …

Couric: Is it man-made, though in your view?

Palin: You know there are - there are man's activities that can be contributed to the issues that we're dealing with now, these impacts. I'm not going to solely blame all of man's activities on changes in climate. Because the world's weather patterns are cyclical. And over history we have seen change there. But kind of doesn't matter at this point, as we debate what caused it. The point is: it's real; we need to do something about it.

Abortion

Couric: If a 15-year-old is raped by her father, do you believe it should be illegal for her to get an abortion, and why?

Palin: I am pro-life. And I'm unapologetic in my position that I am pro-life. And I understand there are good people on both sides of the abortion debate. In fact, good people in my own family have differing views on abortion, and when it should be allowed. Do I respect people's opinions on this. Now, I would counsel to choose life. I would also like to see a culture of life in this country. But I would also like to take it one step further. Not just saying I am pro-life and I want fewer and fewer abortions in this country, but I want them, those women who find themselves in circumstances that are absolutely less than ideal, for them to be supported, and adoptions made easier.

Couric: But ideally, you think it should be illegal for a girl who was raped or the victim of incest to get an abortion?

Palin: I'm saying that, personally, I would counsel the person to choose life, despite horrific, horrific circumstances that this person would find themselves in. And, um, if you're asking, though, kind of foundationally here, should anyone end up in jail for having an … abortion, absolutely not. That's nothing I would ever support.

Morning-after pill

Couric: Some people have credited the morning-after pill for decreasing the number of abortions. How do you feel about the morning-after pill?

Palin: Well, I am all for contraception. And I am all for preventative measures that are legal and save, and should be taken, but Katie, again, I am one to believe that life starts at the moment of conception. And I would like to see …

Couric: And so you don't believe in the morning-after pill?

Palin: ... I would like to see fewer and fewer abortions in this world. And again, I haven't spoken with anyone who disagrees with my position on that.

Couric: I'm sorry, I just want to ask you again. Do you not support or do you condone or condemn the morning-after pill.

Palin: Personally, and this isn't McCain-Palin policy …

Couric: No, that's OK, I'm just asking you.

Palin: But personally, I would not choose to participate in that kind of contraception.

Evolution

Couric: Do you believe evolution should be taught as an accepted scientific principle or as one of several theories?

Palin: Oh, I think it should be taught as an accepted principle. And, as you know, I say that also as the daughter of a school teacher, a science teacher, who has really instilled in me a respect for science. It should be taught in our schools. And I won't deny that I see the hand of God in this beautiful creation that is Earth. But that is not part of the state policy or a local curriculum in a school district. Science should be taught it science class.

Homosexuality

The governor told us though she's not a member of any church, she visits a couple of them regularly when she's home. She took issue with news reports that one of them, The Wasilla Bible Church, sponsored a conference where gays could be made straight through prayer.

Palin: Well, it matters though, Katie, when the media gets it wrong. It frustrates Americans who are just trying to get the facts and … be able to make up their mind on, about a person's values. So it does matter.

But what you're talking about, I think, value here, what my position is on homosexuality and you can pray it away, because I think that was the title that was listed on that bulletin. And you know, I don't know what prayers are worthy of being prayed. I don't know what's prayers are going to be asked and answered. But as for homosexuality, I am not going to judge Americans and the decisions that they make in their adult personal relationships. I have one of my absolute best friends for the last 30 years happens to be gay, and I love her dearly. And she is not my "gay friend," she is one of my best friends, who happens to have made a choice that isn't a choice I would have made. But I am not going to judge people.

Comments

"I'm saying that, personally, I would counsel the person to choose life, despite horrific, horrific circumstances that this person would find themselves in. And, um, if you're asking, though, kind of foundationally here, should anyone end up in jail for having an … abortion, absolutely not. That's nothing I would ever support."

Wow! Palin is pro-choice!

Read what she said: "I'm not going to solely blame all of man's activities on changes in climate."

A normal person does not produce the upside-down-and-backwards version of what s/he wants to say. This is not just a slip of the tongue; she does this sort of thing frequently.

There's something wrong with her mentally. Please, Republicans, let the McCain campaign know that she *cannot* be allowed to continue. This is dangerous

Personally, I'm have no idea where some of these people are coming from. I'm wondering who has something wrong mentally! There is nothing wrong with what Gov. Palin has said in this interview. I'm wondering how donald would stand up in an interview with Katie Couric and her "Gotcha" questions. If I were being interviewed on national TV by someone like Couric, I don't think I would say anything different than what she said. Her positions are pro-life and I don't know what these individuals expect her to say. I wish the media would stop trying to put words in her mouth.

First she says she has a best friends who "happens to be gay" then she says that best friend "happens to have made a choice". Interesting.....

Yes...I'm glad that she made the distinction of her friend's being gay as a choice she has made. That is the truth. Noone is born gay. Otherwise adulterers and murderers and thiefs etc etc will all make the same claim. As for Donald's comment....what a silly thing to say. We need a solid Christian Godly person leading the country. The country is in the crisis it is in because of the deteriorating moral fibre....period. How long do you honestly think God will bless a nation that has done what the leaders and many people in the USA have done? The killing of innocent babies...God's creation! The corruption and greed at all levels. The crime rates going ballistic. The humanism and atheism that has pushed God out of the education system and ultimately society. The blatant idolatry(materialism) in society. I could go on! We need Godly leadership....not Obama and his stand for pro choice. Couric should be ashamed of herself also....asking the most extreme cased questions to try and set up Sarah. Sarah should have looked at her and said she would like to ask Couric a question then. Namely....what about all the abortions that are conducted that aren't an extreme situation...that's the real issue. So what....because the odd case is a rape victim...we legalize the abortion of all the other babies that are from your regular everyday....consenting sexual situation pregnancies? That should not be allowed! Sarah is prolife and a God fearing woman and I pray to God Almighty she gets elected! Every Christian will be held accountable for their decision on who they vote for. They better be voting for God's servant!

To JMUJ

There's nothing "gotcha" style about the question on global warming. It's perfectly legitimate to ask that of any candidate for major national office, and a coherent response should be on the tip of the tongue. That aside...

It's worrying that you say that you wouldn't answer differently from the addled topsy-turvy jumble of "I'm not going to solely blame all of man's activities on changes in climate." But that's a minor worry, as you're not in line for the presidency. If elected, though, Palin would be.

My alarm has nothing to do with her positions. I am frightened by her inability to conceive and express a coherent thought (and by the vastness of her ignorance). McCain has had stage 2a melanoma, and there is no guarantee that he's seen the end of it. In the worst case for him -- and, I would argue, for the country and the world -- Palin would be president.

Given her performance so far, that is a frightening prospect. Not from the point of view of positions or partisan politics, but from the point of view of genuine concern for a country and a world in a state of considerable disarray and in dire need of wise, intelligent leadership. In that situation, it is irresponsible to place a jumbled mind with no knowledge base first in line to the presidency.

my mistake, previous post is directed to Kerry, not Denise.

I'm very pleased to see she accepts evolution as science. She definitely qualifies to be VP of the PTO, of a small school district.

Maybe its just me, but Palin's answers are a blizard of words that make not sense whatsoever? I mean the individual words appear to be English, but strung together they are giberish.

There are some issues in life where there are simply no black and white answers. Katie Couric, representative of a ghastly, biased, uncaring media was trying to make Palin give such black and white answers. Does this ring a bell anyone? This is what the Pharisees and Sadducees did to Jesus? "Jesus, is it ok to pay taxes or not?" "Jesus, who is my neighbor?" "Jesus, what are the commandments?" These questions are not asked because someone honestly wants to have a discussion. Rather they are asked to trick the person who's being asked to say something that could be later on used against them. And why does it matter only what Palin thinks? Why doesn't the media ask the same questions of Barack Obama? I'm sure he would be floundering, getting agitated and turning red like he did at the debate last week. Actually, I think Katie Couric herself would do so if she were in Palin's place.

So lets get back to the issue. Is global warming man-made or not? What are you trying to get at Couric by asking "yes" or "no" and then repeating it? Are you trying to say scientists have attributed all changes in cycles to global warming? As a scientist myself this puzzles me. What about the ice age and all the other things in the past? Was that man-made too?

Do you support the morning-after pill or not? What a stupid question! The woman has suggested several times by her words and actions that she is pro-life. What more do you want? She thinks its wrong? Do you think she could make it illegal? We all know its the Supreme Court or our stupid legislators alone who can change the law in this country. So why ask her this question?

And the comedy goes on and on.

The moral of the story: for me personally, I have lost all respect for Katie Couric. And the media...I simply do not trust it anymore. The whole media is a sham! And while I hesitate to say it - it certainly looks to me like a cover-up for the liberal agenda of the U.S. For me there's no question, the media do not represent the people of America. Its sad that the people we elect to Congress don't as well!

Feed the rich, why are you stalking a Christian web site and pouring out your hate and vulgarity here? If you really think you are a Christian (you said you don't believe in a God anyways), you should talk to Jesus and ask Him for forgiveness. He will forgive you and change your life if you give it over to Him. Take care and God Bless. Remember Jesus always loves you and we love you too.

To Kerry,

What exactly makes a "God fearing" woman? And what about one makes her qualified to be President of the U.S.?

And, although I find her comments in most interviews to be somewhat empty and without much depth, I wonder if the questions posed about her pentecostal background might get her fired up enough to answer in complete sentences.

As always, I continue to believe that should the democrats be parading a mom of 5, including a fairly newborn as well as an older daughter who is unmarried and pregnant, we would not be having these conversations calling that person a "God fearing" woman. It would be quite the opposite as the terms "unfit", and discussions about women in leadership would be in these threads.

McCain and Palin are both naive to set themselves up for ridicule and disrespect by going on certain television programs like The View and Katie Couric's. It is truly appalling to watch.

A number of things bother me about Sarah Palin. I agree, her sentence structure is atrocious; ie: "Well, we're the only Arctic state, of course, Alaska."
"I have one of my absolute best friends for the last 30 years happens to be gay, and I love her dearly. And she is not my "gay friend," she is one of my best friends, who happens to have made a choice that isn't a choice I would have made." Not to mention the gaffs she made on the first interview w/ Couric. It seems as though she has a bunch of talking points in her head, rather than having thought through the important issues. I believe this is the reason she comes across as incoherent sometimes.

Secondly, I think she lacks humility. She comes across as having all the answers, rather than admitting that there are things she obviously needs to learn. I hear the same lines coming out of her mouth again and again. She doesn't doubt that she can "do the job." But let's face it, she has five children, 2 of whom are having difficulties, she's trying to get up to snuff on issues and policies, she's been thrust into the glaring media spotlight, and she's second in line for arguably, the most important position in the world! One would think she might have a little healthy fear.

Lewis,
Sometimes transcripts are the worst. You don't think when you're speaking that your words are going to be transcribed and what that's going to look like.

But READING transcripts is also the worst. You miss the inflection, the gestures, the whole timing and tenor of what the speaker really said. You can have a transcript that reads one way, when in fact those who heard and saw the speech would say that the meaning went the other way.

You've got interviewers who are trying to keep things concise, respecting the economy of airtime; while at the same time the speaker is trying to flesh out and qualify their remarks with a series of subordinate clauses. You've got interviewers who want to see a good headline; who want to see the story in black and white terms; and a speaker who is still thinking on their feet trying to formulate their answer even as they're talking.

Instead, the whole process should be done on blogs! Seriously! Or some other written format. Spoken English is so terribly deficient, as Sarah Palin so capably demonstrates.

I am sorry to see that Christians here are fighting over interviews that a Christian lady has with the ungodly media. of course they are going to set her up and I am saddened about the hate I have read. Are you going to be dictated to by the ungodly media and vote according to what they want you do? We were also manipulated by the media in Australia and as a result the country threw out John Howard and we now have an ungodly leftist govt and the Christians that were hoodwinked by the media were surprised afterwards to realise that the labor party was full of left-wingers with agendas. We now are fighting against an ungodly govt with ungodly, non-Christians agendas. I would hate for Christians in USA to end up the same way. Be wary America, the media is trying to manipulate you also. Look at their agenda and don't be fooled!!! The whole world will be poorer if you vote the wrong way. Start looking at the BIG PICTURE and not the small things!!

amazing..she doesn't seem to be able to quite put a sentence together..orally, live..perhaps accepting evolution on principle she missed out on a link here and there..believing in redemption via Romans and then denying Genesis 1-3 is impossible logic..evolution is perfect base that allows abortions and superior race views et al..obviously theology doesnt have much to do with faith, as is the fashion these days..faith in faith, abstract spirituality..would like to ask her 'is Jesus God in the flesh?'
that would be telling ..

@feedtherich

I totally agree with you. It's just interesting that Palin reveals a cognitive dissonance in saying first that her gay friend happens to "be" gay and then that her gay friend made a "choice". Which do you think it is Sarah? Or do you know how to think without notes or teleprompters.....

I love feedtherich. So reminds me of the 1960s hippies on drugs out in the middle of a muddy field dancing. Then they suddenly realized they needed money to buy those drugs and had to get a job, but, years later they still expound their "beliefs" on the internet. I'm curious. Why don't you run for a government position, you know do something with your life like all those others in that muddy field now controlling the government and the media and passing all those laws against freedom of speech, etc. so only your views are heard. What laws, you say, oh, the so called racist laws for example where if you say something "racist" you get arrested with a double jail term. You know, more time than the person who actually rapes, kills, sells drugs that lead to death, etc. And, just who decides what speech is "racist". You or me. You guys have it backwards. Words don't speak louder than actions, It's actions that speak louder than words. I think McClain and Palin will stay away from these kinds of anti speech and anti life (abortion) laws. We know Obama agrees with these laws. He's for the killing of the unborn, extra citizenship rights to homosexuals, marriage for everybody which is where homosexual marriage will lead to. If a homosexual can marry why not perverts, child lovers, man and animals, etc. Afterall, the theory is they should have equal rights too. I'll go for Palin no matter how she talks. I don't talk too great either so I'm not making fun of her or anyone when it comes to speech patterns. I'll go for the kind of laws they will force upon the rest of us no matter who is president or who is vice-president. Actions speek louder than words. She's helping her daughter not to end up living with the guilt of killing her child years down the road by giving the child life and she's keeping a handicapped child instead of aborting it.My girlfriend has an adult child with the same problems who is living the best life she can, she's holding down a job on a line, has a boyfriend. She's not climbing into a high life like the rest of us normal brains but she sure is glad to be alive and is happy. I see Palin doing what her assailants wouldn't do because they don't want to (it's called selfishness) and I think that is what is really killing her assailants. Actions speak louder than words. And so many don't recognize real love when they are seeing it.

This blog quotes: "Palin was widely criticized for earlier interviews with Couric. "Her halting interview with Katie Couric on CBS News alarmed many Republicans and gave fodder for a devastating parody on Saturday Night Live," The New York Times wrote today."

Why would anyone give credibility to the New York Times and Saturday Night Live after SNL's slanderous sketch accusing the Palin family of incest on 9/20/08? I'm reasonably certain that Gov. Palin was distracted in her Couric interview, given the filth on SNL. Further, Katie Couric was not at all encouraging. She didn't smile much and watched Sarah Palin with narrowed eyes. Gov. Palin's style is folksy. It was clear she felt uncomfortable with Couric's colder style. And this after she was dealt with as an errant student by Charles Gibson.

It was refreshing to hear Gov. Palin call Couric on Couric's provincial question asking her what magazines and newspapers Gov. Palin reads. It was clear that Couric felt that Alaskans were not as "sophisticated" as New York City denizens and the media.

Gov. Palin is a breath of fresh air from a fresh-air state. She has considerable aplomb given all that has occurred in the last month, and that includes helping her children understand the importance of her selection as a vice-presidential candidate.

She has also taken a stand for Christ, not backing down on abortion. God honors nations with righteous leaders. Obama doesn't follow the Bible.

This blog quotes: "Palin was widely criticized for earlier interviews with Couric. "Her halting interview with Katie Couric on CBS News alarmed many Republicans and gave fodder for a devastating parody on Saturday Night Live," The New York Times wrote today."

Why would anyone give credibility to the New York Times and Saturday Night Live...?

-- It's not a question of credibility in either instance. SNL could not poke fun successfully if there were nothing to poke fun at; the caricatures would fall flat rather than being hilarious to so many. NYT was merely reporting the facts: the SNL parodies, and the fact some conservatives are speaking up, pointing out that Palin has no business being next in line to the presidency. (Google 'Kathleen Parker Palin' for Parker's statement on NRO: "She's out of her league." And there are several others.)

I'm reasonably certain that Gov. Palin was distracted in her Couric interview, given the filth on SNL.

-- Which, if true, suggests that she would be even more "distracted" in a challenging crisis scenario of real importance. Couric bent over backwards to be gentle and polite. The Putins, Chavezes, etc. of the world will bend not at all, and will take advantage of any moment of so-called distraction.

she was dealt with as an errant student by Charles Gibson.

-- Because she presented herself as an errant student. If she can't hold her own with kindly, avuncular Charlie Gibson...

It was refreshing to hear Gov. Palin call Couric on Couric's provincial question asking her what magazines and newspapers Gov. Palin reads. It was clear that Couric felt that Alaskans were not as "sophisticated" as New York City denizens and the media.

-- Nonsense. Couric neither said nor implied anything of the kind. Palin pulled that strawman out as a dodge. The truth is that she couldn't name one respectable reading source. Ask a surgeon what medical journals s/he reads. If the answer is a blank or a dodge, run the other way. Fast.

She has also taken a stand for Christ, not backing down on abortion.

-- Re-read what she told Couric. True that she didn't "back down" (she wasn't being pushed to, and why on earth would she?). True also that as much as can be deciphered from her rambling, she said she would counsel, but not force her views on others.

God honors nations with righteous leaders.

-- Assuming, among numerous other things, the absolutely unknowable by definition to mere mortals like you and me: that the Creator of the universe finds the notion of dividing planet Earth up into nation-states acceptable and is interested in honoring it.

Gregory..well said. Carol, Discerning Believer etc. You know I don't doubt that Gov. Palin is a God-fearing woman. So is my mother who, unlike her equally God-fearing daughter, shares many of the same beliefs as the Governor, except she probably wouldn't shoot wolves from an airplane. I love my mother dearly but in no way do I think she's in the least bit qualified, simply on the basis of her beliefs, to be VP of the USA. On that ground my beliefs don't make me qualified either although, unlike Gov. Palin, I know I can think of other Supreme Court decisions that I disagree with. Bush v. Gore in 2000 comes to mind. I'm in full agreement with Martin Luther on the issue of governance when he said he would rather be governed by a wise Turk than a foolish Christian.

Fellow believers - please admit to yourselves that Gov. Palin is not qualified to be VP, and that her ascension to national politics, God forbid the presidency, would be a disaster for the Church and the nation. She has the charisma of a physically-attractive person with a resonant voice, and a knack for mean-spirited one-liners, but she doesn't have the brains to run the country. Putting someone like her in charge of the country now, in this time of crisis, will spell certain disaster. Regarding her "Christianity," remember that the Wasilla Assembly of God is obviously an immature church that lacks solidly-grounded Biblical leadership. Plenty of videos on the Web show the church spreading "holy laughter" via cell phones, treating a man who incited violence against women in Kenya as a hero after he "spiritually discerned" that the women were witches because car accidents occurred outside their homes, and other tactics that most evangelicals, including Pentecostals, question. Think long and hard about whether you want an intellectually sub-par woman associated with an immature congregation led by unwise, undiscerning pastors to be the most recognized evangelical Christian in the world. The stakes are too high in this election just to vote for a pretty face who can speak Christianese.

I have to say, reading some the earlier posts here the extol Palin for her family choices and think Couric was a tough interviewer, that too many evangelical Christians don't understand what's really at stake here. As much as we may appreciate Palin's choice for life, the fact is that her family history shows a woman who has poor judgment - would any of you, after starting labor, would fly all the way from Texas to Alaska just so you can put "Alaska" on your kid's birth certificate"? That's what Palin did. And think Couric was mean? Wait until Palin does her first face-to-face with Putin! Palin may be the typical American evangelical, sadly. But that's the whole point - the average person isn't qualified to be president! Even the far above average aren't! It's only for the truly exceptional. A Palin administration could well mean the deaths of hundreds of millions of people. She's going to have her finger on the nuclear button. Let me quote Oliver Cromwell for all you Palin fans: "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be wrong!"

Gov. Palin is perfectly qualified to be the Vice President. She's a natural born citizen over 35, which are all the qualifications, if memory serves, that are needed to legitimately run for, and hold, that office. I could be a Vice President...but I wouldn't vote for me. I'm simply not well enough and I wouldn't want to even try. I know my limitations. But, I could legitimately be elected, if the electorate was foolish enough to vote for me in adequate numbers. They could do worse, and have.

Simply because she's perfectly qualified, given the very minimal qualifications, that doesn't mean I should vote for her and Sen. McCain.

Have you been reading about Sen. McCain's gambling? Could he have a problem, or am I just being excessively Methodist?

A gambling marathon at a casino his committee oversees, especially when he and his friends walk away with thousands, has the appearance of corruption, even when there is none.

It's fun reading the conservative apologies for McCain's gambling. Most of are the usual: "everyone else does it" excuse. Lots of people do gamble, way too many people for my little Methodist soul.

Hypocrite that I am, I squandered thousands (thousands of pennies) in Reno when I turned 21...I had a bright red Swedish sports coupe (yes, they made one once), and a truly unfortunate sports coat, but it was the Seventies...

I discovered that gambling is only fun for about a half hour, then it gets boring, fast. I loved the free and cheesy lounge acts, however.

So, even I have gambled, I'm certainly "everyone," even if everyone including me gambles, being on the Senate Indian Affairs Committee is certainly not something everyone does at all. Very, very few people, in fact, period. And how many of those on that committee have run for President? How many are running for President in this election cycle?

If I gamble at an Indian casino (I never have), I'm simply foolish with my money. If McCain gambles at an Indian Casino, it simply looks like corruption if he wins big. Scrutiny of his gambling in casinos that he's charged with regulating...that is something he would be foolish to invite.

Even if the table is on the up and up: if McCain loses big, he might have a negative impression of the Tribe when the Tribe has business before his committee...and the opposite would be true as well. Hey...if I remember you as shoving thousands of dollars at me when I'm indulging in my favorite vice, I'll probably remember you quite fondly indeed. It would be very tempting for a casino to give McCain, a well know political celebrity (and I'm sure the other committee members and upper staff are well known in Indian Casino circles as well), every possible edge, an edge that you, I and everybody else wouldn't get.

So, even if the Senator wouldn't think of asking for any quid pro quo corruption, his very presence at a gambling table of an Indian Casino tacitly invites quid pro quo corruption. Witlessly encouraging corruption is not the job of a Senator, or President.

I have to aggree with Paul Wilkinson. Palin is a woman of faith thrown into the lions' den, the liberal media. Their ONLY goal was to tear Palin down. That should be clear to everyone. And Christians everywhere should be rallying behind this well-educated, savvy, Christian, governor! The light of Christ shines in her smile. She has made great personal sacrifice to honor her personal convictions (her Down's baby/daughter's pregnancy), and look what she has done as mayor and governor! The woman is sharp. She is a fiscal AND social conservative. When is the last time America's had a candidate like that? Values people! Values! Here it is...and now you find fault with her "lack of experience & circular reasoning." Wow. Do you not see that these two objections have been feed to you by the ungodly media?? Remember, the Bible says, "do not judge that which is of God to be of the devil; and that which is of the devil to be of God."

Global warming, look to the sun. However, think global cooling.

Contrary to the IPCC considering the sun a constant, the sun activity is decreasing.
Spotless Sun: Blankest Year of the Space Age
Coinciding with the string of blank suns is a 50-year record low in solar wind pressure, a recent discovery of the Ulysses spacecraft.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30sep_blankyear.htm

These facts lead to the earth cooling.

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