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October 28, 2008

Evangelicals' Support for McCain Slowly Slipping

John McCain is behind Barack Obama 36 percent to 52 percent in the Pew Center's latest survey, and his support from evangelicals has been slowly draining.

In the last three weeks, support for McCain has slipped from 74 percent, 67 percent, to 65 percent. However, support for Barack Obama has stayed relatively the same at 18 percent, 22 percent, and 22 percent.

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Evangelical support for Obama is just another indication of how secular evangelicals are becoming. Obama is a leftist leaning, pro-abortion and pro-homosexual liberal with neo-Marxist inclinations. Simply read his books, listen to his interviews, and pay careful attention to the radicals he has embraced over the decades who have been his mentors. It doesn't take a college education to realize he is so far removed from the ideals and values that made this nation great that he is utterly unfit for public office. Frankly, contemporary Christianity as it is currently expressed in mainstream evangelicalism is becoming more and more inept and virtually useless as a viable influence for good in this country. A vote for Obama is essentially a vote for the person and party that have continued to destroy the unborn, encourage and escalate the acceptance of the morally decadent practice of homosexuality, and pave the way for the ultimate demise of a government that our founding Fathers fought so tenaciously to establish. Theologically, Obama and the Democratic Party represent institutionalized human depravity. It is appalling that a man who has a record of facilitating, if not outright supporting infanticide, could come anywhere close to getting a single so-called "evangelical" vote. Not only is this a sad commentary on the nation, but evangelicalism in particular.

Evangelicals should be supporting Obama. Why? Obama has laid out his vision of how religious conservatives and progressives can and must achieve mutual respect to solve the difficult issues facing us today. Obama takes both religious progressives and conservatives to task for the ways each have marginalized the other and thereby exacerbated the deepening religious chasm in this country. Democrats have ignored the conservatives or simply dismissed religion as “irrational or intolerant,” while conservative leaders have fueled this division, identifying some as “true believers” and “true Americans” and others as not.

What is clear from Obama’s vision is that he refuses to reduce people of faith to caricatures, and he treats faith respectfully. Is this not precisely what all Americans of faith truly want? His patience also runs thin in just the same place as those of faith. Obama taps into broad sentiments in America religion when he identifies religious rhetoric that is used merely as tool to gain votes or to divide Americans as “inauthentic expressions of faith” and concludes that “people are tired of seeing faith used as a tool of attack. They don’t want faith used to belittle or to divide.”

Finally an honest, articulate, even-handed approach to public faith. This is certainly not the only issue in this election, but given its departure from the status quo, evangelicals should sit up and take notice.


What about Obama's view of unborn evangelicals and others?
Certainly not the only issue, but as a parent and someone
concerned deeply with the lives of the helpless and
powerless, I think this issue is something evangelicals
should sit up and take notice of.
As an independent, I don't think we should be in Iraq
either, but Obamas supporting the large scale
destruction of young lives for the sake of convenience
is pretty horrific.

We have taken notice-from Jeremiah Wright, "God, guns and Bibles" to Obama's lifetime support of the most gruesome type of abortion. And the Fairness Doctrine would be fair according to whom and against whom? We've seen the same type of religious pandering from Jimmy Carter on. Platitudes are political mush-we've seen how Obama lives, and it isn't what this evangelical is looking for in a leader.

I just can't see how any Christian can be for Obama.
1. he is against letting children live after a botched abortion.
2. he is for abortion.
3. he is connected to people who are devisive and view America as "bad"
4. he voted last year to raise taxes on those who made just 42,000 a year.
5. he is going to let the bush tax cut lapse, I know I make less than 50,000 a year and I know that I will be paying more taxes this year.
6. he wants to "spread the wealth" should that not be something we should do ourselves?
There should be less government not more, Obama wants more

I am not an american christian. But if I were I would not vote for a person who declares himself chrisitan and agrees to abortion. That is blasphemy and hypocrosy.

Reply to JK Berenson

Points 1 and 2 are shere lies.
Obama are NOT for abortion, he is against the draconic anti-abortion legislation proposed by Gov.Sarah Palin.
Point 3 is bad and erronious slander.
Remember the late Sen.Jesse Helms calling Martin Luther King "a dirty communist".
The rest of your points have nothing to do with religion, it is pure right-wing politics.

I can warmly recommend a vote for Barack Obama.
He is a good and warm Christian, though not enough conservative to your taste.

Myself I have no right to vote in the US Election.
But I hope to God for an Obama landslide. That would warm up my heart.

Perhaps more and more evangelicals are waking up to the fact that McCain and Obama really aren't that different after all. Perhaps many of us tired of voting for the "lesser of two evils". Perhaps some of us are finally ready to vote "3rd Party". I know this evangelical is.

Lars Strombeck's grasp of the issues regarding Obama and abortion is seriously flawed. Obama is indeed facilitating infanticide and abortion, regardless of how you explain or justify it. If I knowingly provided the means by which an innocent human being is mercilessly killed, I am as culpable as the person performing the action. If Obama supports or facilitates legislation to that end, he is responsible for ensuring that the action (abortion) is indeed performed. To split hairs as to whether or not he is pro-abortion is moot. Furthermore, to say or imply that pro-choice is the moral equivalent of abortion is as absurd as saying that the Nazis were justified in killing Jews because their flawed scientific (social Darwinism)and ideological thinking provided similar justification for their atrocities. If Moral pragmatism, which is exactly what Obama practices, is the guiding principle, then eventually anything goes. Pro-choice thinking is pragmatic and culturally grounded, whereas the pro-life position is based on the self-evident, universal truth that all men (pre-born included!)are created equal, and entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. When candidates like Obama and others provide the means by which the unborn can be and will continue to be killed, they by their actions disparage the integrity of those self-evident truths enunciated in the Declaration of Independence and secured by the Constitution. It is Obama's responsibility to protect the unborn, not facilitate the nonsense of pro-choice.

Stephen Rost

In response to the comment of jkberenson, it is a fallacy to believe that Obama is the answer, and that evangelicals should flock his way. The issue is his arrogance that he truly believes that he is bigger than both perspectives or ideologies. He truly thinks his philosophy can encompass the differences and bring about harmony. For instance, when he addresses the issue of gay marriage, he positions the dialogue as, "I know we disagree about gay marriage, but what we can agree upon is that our gay 'brothers and sisters' should be treated equally." This is an arrogant and insidious position. A large number of Christians don't automatically consider a gay person a brother or sister. We don't buy in to a specious foundation of relationship that is not based on race, specific religious affiliation, or some other specific shared value or membership. We don't agree with his premise and its implications. Obama actually is trying to reduce the the basic authenticity of moral certitude. He thinks he can "big tent" everyone, that ultimately he knows better. His morality trumps everyone else's. No, the foundation of real change is not agreement, it is disagreement, it is conflict. For millions of Christian believers, moral certitude about the value of human life, ethics of morality, the sacredness of traditional marriage, the centrality of the family, are not points to be negotiated; they are truths to be defended. We do not need and do not accept the pomposity of a 46 year old politician who thinks he can redefine our faith and two thousand years of Christian tradition and ethics. We do not accept his vision of the world. No, the hope for America, is that the debate rages on and that the conflict is acknowledge between two competing ideologies. It is in that battle, that is a battle of life and death, that the future will be forged one way or another.

Part Two In reponse to the comment of jkberenson:

This commenter's own remarks betray the same issue. He or she writes critically of conservatives who arrogantly identify some as "'true believers' and 'true Americans' and others as not." The problem with this is that it seems to remove the possibility that some ARE true believers or Americans and some AREN'T. The writer seems to believe that even making such distinctions is inherently intolerant. No, the real intolerance is the failure to admit the possibility of conflict. What defines a believer? Is it the believer? Or is it something or someone external? Evangelicals happen to believe that there is an external authentic source of moral revelation, namely The Bible. And there is an external being who will both judge the living and the dead, namely the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself said that at the end of the age there will be a great sorting out, some to the left and some to the right. Some will be considered "true" and some will be considered "false." Now there may be debate on what is true and what is false in the Christian religion, but the Bible admits no other interpretation that one day some will be considered true and some false. The point here is not theology. The point is that this writer, like Obama is morally certain that moral certitude is inherently arrogant and intolerant. The real intolerance and arrogance however, lie with those like Obama, who attempt to marginalize moral conviction while attempting to dictate their own inclusivist and relativistic agenda on us all.

Anyone who disputes that Sen. Obama is a Christian but has not read his chapter on "Faith" (chapter six) in THE AUDACITY OF HOPE is, in my opinion, being grossly unfair and may be regrettably uninformed. In that chapter Obama gives a detailed and suprisingly honest account of his own faith journey, including some of his uncertainties and doubts.

It is a remarkable testimony from a remarkable man and candidate. The closing paragraphs of the chapter are, I find, deeply personal and moving.

I believe those evangelicals who fear an Obama presidency are in for a HUGE surprise.

Well said, David Mitchell. You have spoken for me better than I could have. Thank you.

So vote for an Adulterer who left his first wife when she was crippled and disfigured?
I don't think I can trust someone like that.
Why wasn't he out there working harder for the marriage amendment -- which
was never really going to happen -- just a ruse by those republicans trying to get Bush releelected.
He sees no reason to end the subsidy of the ultra-rich by the middle-class. The Walmart
family and others who pay wages so low that the rest of us have to subsidize their
energy costs, health costs etc. He sees no reason to stop them from piling up their money at the average taxpayers expense.
Sees nothing wrong with companies not paying taxes when they find a way to
shelter money off-shore -- these are moral issues as well.

I do not find it surprising that McCain's support is slipping among evangelicals as they learn of his adultary, gambling, special interests, mean-spiritedness, foul language, and un-Christlike displays of anger. Obama has remained steadfast and calm throughout this campaign with a generosity of spirit that I would describe as many of the "fruits of the spirit."

I am not an American but a faithful Christian, living in the States!
Finally there is an evangelical who is able to show Obama's sincreity! He says what he believes. He is a Christian and at least belives what he says! Has any one asked abour McCain's faith! Has he ever confessed about what he believes? To me he only needs the vote of Evangelicals!
I am really schoked to see So called pro life Evangelicals who have probelm with Obama on Abortion, but who at the same tine easily accept killings of tens of thousands of innocent people in different parts of the world...
I am really sad to see Chritians being manipulated for their votes...

Even the easily influenced eventually get it..Senator McCain is an angry old man that refuses to condemn Domestic Terrorists who plot to kill a Presidential Candidate.

In the Christian Bible, Daniel 9:27, we are told that the Antichrist will confirm
a covenant between Israel and its neighbors to begin the series of events
leading to the apocalypse.The antichrist will suddenly rise out of the
population, Revelation 13:1. He will have a mouth speaking great things and
blasphemies, Rev. 13:5. He will speak great words against The most High,
Daniel 7:25. In 2 Thessalonians 2:6&7 he is voted into office because of the
departure of the Holy Spirit and the Church. These are all interpretations that
many well qualified Bible Prophecy interpreters accept. We should be ready for
the Rapture now, just a few days before the election of a man that may well be the Antichrist. Though he he does not have that goal as he seeks power, he will
naturally move in that direction because of his power-seeking nature.

I find it fascinating that the evangelical community is not displeased with McCain's negative campaign and Sarah Palin's condescending and sometimes divisive comments. Listening to Obama's inspiring, unifying and issue based campaign, I wonder who exactly is living up to the injunction, "let your words be graceful to your hearers".Should it not be the person that evangelicals should be attracted to?

CHRISTIANS in this country need to WAKE up. Obama is a SMOOTH TALKER. But giving lip service to Christianity and it's teachings are not the same as being a born-again Christian - something Obama has carefully avoided ever claiming to be. Attending a Christian church doesn't make you a Christian any more than living in a garage makes you a car. He found being a member of a progressive black-theology church to be useful, but now where or at any time has he discussed having had a salvation experience.

Be ye doers of the word not listeners only.
Deceiving your own self

Kind words are deceptive.

Christianity grows under persecution

May God have mercy on us all.

Any Christian who supports Obama does not read their Bible. T
They have drank the Fool-aid offered by the Media and,
Unfortunately, all of America will suffer.

I find it interesting that ALL comments against Obama come right out of the Carl Rove/Steve Schmidt GOP "playbook," are not based in Holy Scriptures, and are almost always misrepresentations of what Obama or Democrats have said or done--

How many of the folks here that have such extremely negative conclusions (and are not at all shy with strident expressions) "win souls for Christ" by YELLING at them?

WELL,FIRST OF ALL ANYONE THAT CLAIMS THAT THEY KNOW JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR LORD & SAVIOR NEEDS TO JUNK WHAT YOU (OR I) THINK & LET GOD BE OUR AUTHORITY.THAT BEING SAID,IN ROMANS 16:17,18 TELLS US TO MARK THEM WHICH CAUSE DIVISIONS AND OFFENCES CONTRARY TO THE DOCTRINE WHICH YE HAVE LEARNED;AND AVOID THEM.FOR THEY THAT ARE SUCH SERVE NOT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST,BUT THEIR OWN BELLY;AND BY GOOD WORDS AND FAIR SPEECHES DECEIVE THE HEARTS OF THE SIMPLE.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE SOMEONE THAT HAS RECENTLY BEEN MENTIONED ON THESE BLOGS?DOES OBAMA COME TO MIND?MATTHEW 10:34 SAYS,THINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO SEND PEACE ON EARTH:I CAME NOT TO SEND PEACE,BUT A SWORD.
AND IN JUDE 3,THE LORD EXHORTS US TO EARNESTLY CONTEND FOR THE FAITH WHICH WAS ONCE DELIVERED UNTO THE SAINTS.
IF FOR SOME REASON THAT MEANS NOTHING TO YOU,LET ME TRY TO APPEAL TO YOUR COMMON SENSE.I DONT KNOW IF McCAIN PROFESSES TO BE SAVED OR NOT,BUT AT LEAST HE AND PALIN WOULD BE THE LESSOR OF THE TWO EVILS.
ANYWAY BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE COULD'NT CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT I PREVIOUSLY WROTE ABOUT,THIS IS WHAT MATTERS TO MOST.MONEY,OR PROSPERITY.IT DONT TAKE A GENIUS TO FIGURE OUT THAT IF TAXES ARE RAISED ON THE "RICH"THEY WILL NOT FEEL THE PAIN,THEY WILL DO WHAT THEY ALWAYS DO,PASS IT DOWN THE LINE.ULTIMATELY MAKING THE LOW MAN ON THE TOTEM-POLE "FEEL THE PAIN"
A PERSON WOULD HAVE TO BE A BLIND FOOL NOT TO SEE THE DIVISION THAT OBAMA AND HIS DRUNKARD COHORT IS CREATING.ALL THE WHILE ACCUSING McCAIN AND PALIN OF THE SAME THING.I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU,BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE HYPOCRICY TO ME!!!
WELL I GUESS THATS ABOUT IT FOR NOW.OH YEAH!ONE MORE THING BEFORE I GO.IF YOU'LL FALL FOR OBAMA'S GARBAGE,BUCKLE YOUR SEATBELT!THE ANTI-CHRIST WILL SOON TAKE YOU FOR A RIDE TOO!!!
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
I ALMOST FORGOT!OBAMA IS NOT EVEN A U.S. BORN CITIZEN,AND COULD NOT EVEN PASS THE SECURITY CLEARANCE TO BE HIS OWN BODY-GUARD,THAT HIS BODY-GUARDS WOULD HAVE TO DO,WERE HE TO BE ELECTED.FROM MY UNDERSTANDING,BEING A BORN U.S. CITIZEN IS ONE OF THE PREREQUISITES OF RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL OFFICE!OH WELL,WHO CARES?MAYBE ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER?

It's a shame how blind and haughty "Christians" ahve become. It's amazing how we're quick to "judge". It reminds me of the woman caught in an adulterous act. "Kill her", "kill her" ~ "she's done this and that"! But what did Jesus say? "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone". The Bible also says that "ALL come short of the glory", which means there's no perfect human and it's absolutely ridiculous how some of us "Christians" have become the #1 fault finders in this election. Politics are about "issues" not "religion" and neither Obama or McCaine have clean slates. It's ignorant to even think that. Whether it be adultery or abortion, we all have a free will to choose. Isn't that what God gives us with salvation??? If we're going to point fingers, let's look in the mirror and begin there first. When did the church become so cold, indifferent, accusatory and callous??? Oh I forgot, The Bible speaks of a lukewarm church. Hmmm . . .

Please, please People of God, listen and think!
Stay in God's word...all of it! If you say you are a Christian then embrace ALL of what God has spoken! If you say you are a Christian, then how can you NOT KNOW that you are going to Heaven?
If you say you are Christian, then how can you say there is no Hell?
The hope of Heaven is a sure hope otherwise you do not trust in Christ. The thought of Hell is insescribable, unthinkable, but we need to remember what God has spoken and above all WHAT He did and WHY in the cross and empty tomb. Now, as far as listening to the candidates, the character of Mr. Obama comes out loud and clear as his latest mocking speech has declared that about 50% of the population (those not voting for Obama) are SELFISH for not embracing Obama's ideology! Does anyone listen to the mocking tone of this man? Does he realize who half of the American population is? Why can't people see the immaturity of this person? Just because one is package "perfect" is no reason to vote for the package. Watch out, or we are going to get the gov't. that we deserve instead of asking God for His mercy and forgiveness and deepening our relationship with our ONLY Savior and KING, Christ the Lord. Praise God in all circumstances and whatever station in life that you are. Being in HIS will, IS our station in life.

Judge not, lest ye be judged . . . .