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October 8, 2008

Palin's Religion

I think we all can stipulate this. Sarah Palin's religious identity has been a major, if not the major, source of both the enthusiasm and the antipathy that she's generated. The evangelical base of the Republican Party recognizes her as one of its own. The secularist base of the Democratic Party recognizes her as the religious right made vice presidential flesh. And so, in an era when candidates for national office are expected to sit down and chat about how their religious backgrounds shape their worldviews and public service, why have none of the handful of journalistic interlocutors who've gotten a whack at her ventured into this territory?

At the moment, there's some Jewish unhappiness, including in the higher reaches of Jewish Republicanism, about Palin's lack of responsiveness in addressing the "Jews for Jesus" question that arose when it emerged that she had been in the congregation when that organization's head showed up and declared that Palestinian violence against Israelis was God's judgment on the Israelis for not having embraced Jesus.

While a spokesman for Palin has said that the Republican running mate rejects this view, the McCain-Palin campaign has declined to say whether she shares her pastor's general support for Jews for Jesus -- a group that Jewish organizations accuse of using deceptive tactics because it tells people they can embrace Jesus and still remain true to Judaism.

Asked this week whether the Alaska governor would condemn the missionary group, McCain-Palin campaign spokesman Michael Goldfarb told JTA that "vice-presidential candidates cannot be in the business of condemning religious groups who do not commit violence" in a country that guarantees "freedom of religion."

Goldfarb added that it is "extremely inappropriate for any elected official" to comment "on any religious group" and its mission. "That's a fundamental breach of the separation of church and state," he said.

Right. Like Sen. Lieberman should not celebrate the mission of Christians United for Israel and praise its leader as a Man of God.

There are, of course, any number of faith-based questions to be tossed in Palin's direction. But the general expectation is that she is not going to be engaging in any more tetes-a-tete with MSM types until Nov. 5 or thereabouts. And so, like the prisoners in Plato's cave, we seem to be condemned to knowing little more of Palin's faith than the shadows cast on the wall in front of us by the flickering light of YouTube.

(Originally published at Spiritual Politics)

Comments

I am a poor, working class person who lives in a small apartment in a multicultural setting. Do I sound like I might be liberal? No. I am a Christian. Democrat? No. Independant. I say Vote McCain-Palin out of conviction in principle founded on God's word.

Rick, Jesus spoke more about caring for people in poverty than he did about anything else, at least from what is recorded in the Bible. No one should vote for anyone based 'on God's word' because it's a different system that Jesus did not endorse. I agree with your identification as a Christian (and not a political party's label). We should be Christ-followers, first and only. Vote how your conscience directs you but let's not get tricked into believing God's kingdom and the world's kingdoms can be one and the same.

Let me reinforce Bart Wang's comments by saying that Jesus was the original liberal. Look up his preachings on taking care of the poor, etc. "Insomuch as you have done it to the least of these thy bretheren, you have done it to me" (or words to that effect). He fought the conservatives of his day who wanted to maintain the status quo - the pharisees, sadducees and the rabbinical heirarchy who pretty much had the same attitudes regarding power and wealth as present conservatives.

I agree with the last two comments. The article's beginning notion is off base, claiming that evangelicals are Republicans base while "secularists" are the Democratic base. Lumping Democrats as secularists is unhelpful and inaccurate. I think many Christians will vote for Obama bc they see his policies doing a better job of taking care of the poor, engaging all types of people, helping all people share their gifts, making and sustaining peace and much more. Abortion and Israel are important issues. But if we listen to the teaching of Jesus, Christians must pursue progress in our country on a variety of other discipleship issues Jesus gave us.


I agree with Bart in regard to we, as believers, need to be
stressing theocracy where God rules this earthly kingdom in
which we temporarily inhabit. I normally would vote Republican
based on values but it is sooo obvious that the current regime
and the McCain/Palin ticket is going to continue on the same path.
Why can't we give Obama 4 years & if he is no good, kick him out ?
He appears to embrace Christianity where McCain doesn't even pretend to. Where is the fruit ? My conscience says vote Obama !

Bart, Fred, Caddieo, and Mark: Lend me your ears! We must differentiate between what the Bible teaches about Christian charity as opposed to modern society’s government programs. God says that we are to be our brother’s keeper; we are to take care of the least of these. This is charity and it is a Christian virtue and responsibility. This is wholly different than confiscatory taxation to run a government program. Christian charity draws people to faith in God and to worship Him more. Government programs interpose the government as our source and leaves God out of the picture. Do you really think that the Good Samaritan represents a government agency? No. Charity is about acting individually or as a church, this is far from what Obama and the Democrats propose.

Your statement that the opposition to Palen is mostly over her religion is wrong. It is mostly because she is ignorant of national issues, something she has shown in a glaring manner in all her interviews. Even in the debate she repeated talking points instead of really discussing issues. And there is also opposition to the fact that she is into personal attack, not substantive discussion, when she takes the stump or debates. In the debate, Biden noted the reasons for his opposition to the current policy in Irag. What was her response? Not to replay with reasoned argeuments but to attack him as a person ("wave the white flag"). S

Jesus was emphatic in teaching that He was the way, the truth, and the life. A vote for Obama will endanger the lives of many innocent unborn children. The democrats are playing up racial division while Jesus prayed that we would become one.God will hold each of us accountable for our votes for who/what we support.Our nation is at a moral crossroads and to not uphold our Judeo/Christian values will push us over the edge.

I will vote for Barak Obama. Not because I believe he is right on all the issues and not because he is a great candidate. I will vote for him because it is time to think of the orphans and widows (ie. the disenfranchized)than the bottomline.

I thank God we have a choice although it has been slim pickens the past 20 years.

Bart Wang said, "Jesus spoke more about caring for people in poverty than he did about anything else"
Caddieo, the next writer agreed and added, "Let me reinforce Bart Wang's comments by saying that Jesus was the original liberal. Look up his preachings on taking care of the poor, etc. "Insomuch as you have done it to the least of these thy bretheren, you have done it to me"
Jesus spoke far more about His primary mission than temporal things--which was ushering the Kingdom of God, offering forgiveness of sins. One of the parables used to describe this Kingdom sounds very conservative/capitalistic to me (parable of the talents). Regarding the least of these, I think He has the unborn near, if not at the top, of His list. Shame on the liberal mindset to speak of what is evil as acceptable and what is good as evil.

Followers of Jesus are called to be 'salt' & 'light' in their world. He has his people throughout the world. How can enemies talk to each other unless they first are respectful of each other, especially 'CHRISTians'. If we who call ourselves God's people & are merciful & thoughtfulness in our politics, we can hope in the God of Jesus Christ who has called us to do good work. This service is more than our own 'self-interest.' It is caring about our neighbors & even our enemies.

Even good people who disagree. Our nation lives with this idea. It seems to me that currently the far right & far left in American politics are purposely talking passed each other. This is particularly disturbing to me since the stakes are so high and no one can fix our problems by themselves, nor should they. These problems belong to all of us.

We need leadership. We need a vision for how to work together. I am not convinced that either candidate is up to the challenges that we need to face. However, I continue to listen & try to evaluate which one might do the best job at this time.

Bush & Cheney with the help of both Republicans & Democrats have only dug a deep hole, 8 years deeper. When will Americans once again take the lead at making peace? and living within our means? The motivation to change this situation, I give to Obama since he is younger and the stakes are much higher for him and his generation.

McCain is a bull dog, but sometimes he bits his own friends. His methods do not inspire confidence. 'Mavaricks' may be endearing but by definition, they are unpredictable. Our problems need evaluation, long term strategies & sustained commitment to solve them. This kind of leadership calls for vision based on priorities, building teams, and sustained care beyond our own self-interest. Frankly, I am not sure that there is much hope for us unless we are forced by hard times to sacrifice for our country like they did in WW2.

Whichever candidate wins, he will need all of our support. I hope that good people, especially the people of the God of mercy will do what they are called to do and support their neighbors and at least talk, whenever possible, to their enemies. We dishonor God and make ourselves liars if we are not agents of reconciliation in a broken world. There is no greater legacy that can be left to our children and our country than a life that is intentionally lived for others.
'Not my will but thine be done' 'care for those in need' -Jesus

In 2000, we were told that the country needed change...we listened and voted Bush in.


In 2004...The image of Bush was so blurry. We were told to stay the course.Like good old faithfuls that we are,without questions asked, we obeyed sheepishly and voted Bush in again.

Now 2008....Bush's approval rating is 29%, Americans who say the country is headed in the wrong direction is about 60% and yet we are told not to look at the past.That doing so is retrogressive and we should look ahead for McCain/Palin ticket...A lone voice in the wilderness is shouting loud and clear that McCain agreed with Bush 95% of the times, these last 8 years...we are told not to take note, that this is the work of McCain's dis-tractors..that the alternative is the enemy of true change,radical minds,domestic terrorists...When shall we be told the truth...that the past 8 years have been a colossal disaster.We have been called "whiners". We have been told that the fundamentals of our economy is strong. We are told it could be worse.I wonder what could be worse than a 90 year old woman shooting herself because she was going to loose her home.What could be worse than the main breadwinner fatally shoots himself,wife and children because he could no longer fulfill his financial responsibilities to his family....what could be worse than the reality that increasingly there are fewer and fewer countries abroad I can safely go to on vacation....enough of these lies. Enough is enough! It is time to vote out these harbingers of lies.

In 2000, we were told that the country needed change...we listened and voted Bush in.


In 2004...The image of Bush was so blurry. We were told to stay the course.Like good old faithfuls that we are,without questions asked, we obeyed sheepishly and voted Bush in again.

Now 2008....Bush's approval rating is 29%, Americans who say the country is headed in the wrong direction is about 60% and yet we are told not to look at the past.That doing so is retrogressive and we should look ahead for McCain/Palin ticket...A lone voice in the wilderness is shouting loud and clear that McCain agreed with Bush 95% of the times, these last 8 years...we are told not to take note, that this is the work of McCain's dis-tractors..that the alternative is the enemy of true change,radical minds,domestic terrorists...When shall we be told the truth...that the past 8 years have been a colossal disaster.We have been called "whiners". We have been told that the fundamentals of our economy is strong. We are told it could be worse.I wonder what could be worse than a 90 year old woman shooting herself because she was going to loose her home.What could be worse than the main breadwinner fatally shoots himself,wife and children because he could no longer fulfill his financial responsibilities to his family....what could be worse than the reality that increasingly there are fewer and fewer countries abroad I can safely go to on vacation....enough of these lies. Enough is enough! It is time to vote out these harbingers of lies.

Barak Obama and Joe Biden believe it is acceptable to kill babies to solve a social problem-- unwanted babies.

John McCain and Sara Palin do not believe babies should be killed at any age, including while in the womb.

Why would any Christian even need to debate who to vote for?

Rick

It doesn't matter if you are a Democrat, a Repulican or an Independent, if your leader supports abortion and homosexual lifestyle, you must not expect God's blessing. If your leader walks in the darkness, do not think he can lead the country in the Light of God. Just be faithfull to God's Word, in this case what does God say about abortion and homosexual lifestyle, vote your conscience and leave the outcome to God. HE IS IN CONTROL. "Seek you first the Kingdom of God and His righteouness and all these things shall be added to you." That "all these things" includes properity and peace in the country. It's a moral choice rather a political one. Just do your part.

To Caddieo,

I don't think conservatives are against caring for the poor or global poverty or any of that sort of thing. If you look really carefully, you will find that most Christians who are anti-liberal are ordinary, working-class people, who are fighting for their daily survival and trying to be as good a Christian and citizen. If you look even more closely, all around the world Christians are at the forefront of social work, building schools and hospitals, caring for the poor, etc. I myself come from a third world country where Christians are a minority and yet the leaders in social causes. Christians in America too contribute a significant portion of their income to these activities. Organizations like World Vision and Samaritan's Purse are all led and supported by Christians.

Unlike many far-left liberals who only talk about social issues, many conservative Christians are on the battleground. We know what it is to have a meager salary and yet to set some apart to give to those who do not have.

What conservative Christians are against is not all the above. They are against the moral devaluation of our society. When the divorce rate is 50% even among Christians and there is a breakdown in moral values with fornication, pornography, homosexuality and adultery, Christians want to make sure they vote for the right candidate. When all of these negative values are taught to our children and they are forced to learn them but forbidden to pray in school, Christians feel like they must say and do something.

Please don't compare Jesus to a liberal. Jesus forgave sinners but he unequivocally condemned their sin. Jesus didn't excuse adultery and murder. That's why he was murdered. Today liberal Christians are sacrificing their brothers and sisters when they support abortion and gay marriage at the expense of their Christian family. Abortion is murder and homosexual indulgence is not God's intended plan for marriage as Jesus Himself taught (read Matthew 19).

Mother Teresa is the best contemporary example of a Christian who gave her life away in caring for the poor, sick, needy and lepers and yet stood against abortion and breakdown in sexual morality. If you want to know what it is to kiss a leper, visit her country which also happens to be mine.

Jim,

If you want to support orphans and widows, why are you waiting for Barack Obama? Why don't you obey Jesus' commands and start yourself? Are you telling me Christians have not been doing so for 2000 years? Why are you waiting for an unbelieving government to do it? Has Obama cared for orphans and widows in the last 20 years? Or is the money going into the pockets of Planned Parenthood and ACLU which is teaching your 5 year old children how to use condoms and supporting unrepentant terrorists.

If you want to serve Jesus, no one has stopped you. Just don't pass the wagon to Obama or the government and say its an election issue.

Perhaps you can help me with my quandry. Having paid close attention to this election, I found myself filled with questions and completely undecided. I try to keep Christ first in my life and follow His ways always, but I can't seem to apply His ways to this election because I don't see a righteous choice before me. All the candidates claim to be Christians, yet the truth dances on their tongues like a drop of water on a hot skillet. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that God operates in truth and truth alone and He withdraws His hand when lies abound.
I feel used by the Republican party because they seem to have only taken on the issues of Abortion and Gay Marriages because it garners them votes. Just as the Democrats have taken on poverty issues because they want the poor vote.
I worry about how we Christians present the face of Christ to those who have had abortions or are struggling with homesexuality. Are we telling them that God loves them or are we condemning them and leaving them to condemnation by using satan's tools of anger and divisiness. They can't live by God's laws because the unsaved don't have them written on their hearts yet. They have to know God before they can try to please Him. I worry because it sometimes seems that we're telling them that their sin is worst than our own.
I've seen the sting of racism from the Right which is my party of choice and the bitterness of the fruit of racism from the Left. Both parties use racism to some degree to garner votes and it scares me when I see even some Christians partaking in this without searching their hearts. I'm worried and just a little scared for all of us even when I try not to be and I try to remind myself that all is in God's hand. I care much less now about this worldly kingdom and much more about who we leave behind, is that wrong?

O. Hall, I really liked your comment and I appreciate your honesty a lot. By looking to Christ and trying to examine everything carefully with the wisdom of God you are doing the right thing. You are right, that God's Kingdom is not of this world and no candidate or political party has a monopoly on what is right. Therefore, as Christians we have to examine the issues in the light of Christ. What will be good for our country in the long run? What kind of a leader do we need at this crucial hour in our history? What has been the track record of Democrats and Republicans on the issues. It is true that because we vote for someone on one issue, it does not mean we agree with all the rest. You have to remember that a President can only go so far and Congress does the rest. So can we keep Congress accountable too.

The way I see it what is the most imp. issue that a President can change that will directly impact the moral fiber of our nation. I think abortion and gay marriage are 2 issues imp to Christians. If Obama appoints extreme far-left judges to the Supreme Court, we will have to deal with this for another 50 years. But does this mean we give Republicans a pass on other issues? No! But its not the president who pushes most of the other social programs. Its Congress! It was not Bush alone who was against implementing a lot of social programs. It was Congress.

I am going with John McCain for 2 reasons. One he is well-qualified and has the experience and is bipartisan in his approach. Two, he is not an extreme Republican - and wants to take care of all the other issues too. Obama seems like a nice guy, but he is propagating the same extreme far-left policies in the name of change and when elected he won't be bipartisan. Plus what really worries me at this time is that at this crucial hour he is a guy who has no qualifications at all. he' s good at giving speeches, but so are many other people.

But do what you think is best. Pray, ask God to give you wisdom and make a rational decision based on the issues and the candidates voting records. I don't think we can go with likability and anti-Bush mania at a crucial time as this.

God Bless

Despite the accolades for Governor Palin, I see no evidence of Christlike-ness in her demeanor or speech. She is mean-spirited and graceless. I like McCain but cannot vote for him based on his choice of running mate.

God's word says so many things other than abortion and homosexuality..His word hates liars..He detests arrogant rulers....He frowns at hypocrisy....He expects us to care for widows,the homeless,the orphans,the poor...His word expects us not just to tolerate other races/strangers/neighbours but to love them MORE than we love ourselves...His word abhors rumor mongers...He cautions against being false witnesses aka Obama is a muslim, a domestic terrorist....His words remind us that the kingdom of God should not be equated with the Kingdom of Man...His words ask us to first get the speck from our eyes before getting the moat from our neighbour's eye....but we have been quick to attack the "opposition" or any one who has sympathy for the "opposition" and when one of ours do the same thing we are quick to say Christians are not perfect but forgiven...His words request that we speak graciously to our hearers..I can not say that of Sarah Palin when she ridicules her "opposition" and in some instance instigates anger and resentment....We need to clean the house starting from us...Neither of the parties is a christian party..we should not be deceived and not deceive others into endorsing one party over another,believing that one party is the gate to heaven and the other the gate to hell...let everyman sincerely seek the Lord and follow as he directs...That GOP convention was nothing close to the kingdom of heaven in the book of Revelation that gives refuge to people from different races..different tongues and color...
We should stop trivializing God's words for our selfish political gains...

No, dear Rbk, I cannot disagree more with your statement. You say nothing, but judgment, “pure” and ultimate, thus unjust judgment upon folks who like many, not all, of us here confess their reliance on their Savior. Actually, they were able to confess the Lord in very high places in time, when people of God here generally are silent.

Sarah Palin says she is pro-life when it comes to abortion. In one of her rallies,when one of her political fans yell "kill him", her audience cheers and she says there is no wrong doing.Perhaps,being pro-life means different things to her,again demonstrating her crass ignorance.

Thinking a party represents your faith is just plain foolish. I'm voting Obama as I support most of his policies over McCain. Also, having grown up in a multicultural environment and praising JC with many other different cultures, he represents more of what this country will be in the future. To say Jc would have been a GOP supporter is ridiculous, he would have been an independent liberal as some have shrewdly said going against the status quo of corruption, greed, arrogance, and lies. I feel McCain would bring that same political thought to the Executibe branch. Don't get too comfy.

I really cannot see anywhere in Scripture where Jesus was registered as a Democrat or Republican; and I can see where He would strongly disagree with policies of both parties. So that is not the issue....frankly if we look at the liberality of Obama/Biden on abortion , just think how many poor people could be eliminated? Seems very oxymoronic to me but I cannot understand voting for anyone who could condone the procedure known as partial-birth abortion because I just read over and over in Scripture how Jesus always looked out first for the little children....maybe He knew that was not such a priority even in those times? Vote your heart as you see Jesus would do and that is not always easy to discern I agree....Christians will not always agree....but we are called to always love our neighbor as ourself. Praying to understand God's will for your own personal vote may be the best answer.

To those of you leaning toward Obama because he supposedly cares more about the poor, I reiterate my point above: Do you really think that the parable of the Good Samaritan is talking about a goverment agency?

Vote McCain and Sarah - Simple and conviction.

Let me just echo some of the thoughts here - Jesus was not a Republican, nor was he a Democrat. As Christians we are whatever our hearts and prayers tell us to be. Looking back on the last 8 years there is little to show as Christians for voting Republican. I have no idea if Obama or McCain will fulfill their promises, I suspect neither will. I suspect as politicians they will lie, and tell us what they want to hear.

A vote for the Republican party is not a vote for Christ - nor is a vote for the Democratic party. And the politicization of Christianity in this country over the last 10 years has sullied us all.

Thank you for the answers and guidance. I was able to receive an answer from Jesus this time when I asked Him. He said vote for what He loves and holds dear. Two things that I know that He loves and holds dear are the Covenant of Marriage between a man and a woman because it reflects the church and His love of us and He holds His creation of life dear. From the Garden to the Cross He's asked us to choose life and He gave up His life so that we could live.
I was very concerned with the draw of less taxes and more money being an offering from the Democratic side because one of the things my walk with Jesus reflects most is that He has, does and always will provide all the desires of my heart as long as I keep my eyes fixed on Him. He told us that the poor would always be with us and that we are to be His body, moving amongst them helping provide for their needs, bind up their wounds and restore their hearts to grace through the Gospel. I would still like to see our healthcare system overhauled in the near future. But I thank you for reminding me of what is truly important.

Fellow followers of Jesus:
I am longing to see someone comment on Matt.25:31-46 in context. The allegory is about the judgment of the nations, 25:32.
In the context of Matthew's Gospel, when Jesus speaks of his brothers, he is not talking about the poor, but about those who hear him, are teachable, then obey Him. They are his disciples, evangelists and apostles or missionaries. See the latter half of Matt.10, also 12:50 and 28:10. King Jesus will judge the nations on the basis of their treatment of His faithful followers and servants.
Please argue for the poor from other Scriptures: Psalms 15, 101, 146, Isa.58,parts of Hosea, Amos, Micah, even Ezekiel 16:48-50.

My expectation is that those of you who affirm the "theology of Glory" will vote primarily for McCain-Palin.

But, those of us who affirm the "theology of the Cross" will vote primarily for Obama-Biden.

Jonathan

Jonathan Trust,

You're comment is very condescending and judgmental, especially for someone claiming to hold to a "theology of the cross"! Do you think other Christians don't care for the poor and hungry? My church goes out every week on the streets of Boston, distributing food and clothes to the homeless. Every week, me and others we know set apart things that could help the homeless. How dare you try to divide the Body of Christ with your super-arrogance!

I am not voting for Obama, because he is inexperienced and because he has consistently and persistently supported the killing of unborn children in the womb. He has also not supported a bill that would allow medical care for babies surviving from "botched" abortions. Is this who you call a Christian? What has Obama done for the poor in the last 20 years? His own brother lives in a slum in Kenya - but he gave 800,000 dollars to ACORN! No, my brother, Obama wants your vote and mine to support more of his far-left agenda that in the end is going to support more of the moral breakdown in families that we are seeing!

And by the way in addition to not being stupid, I am not a white, upper-class, Republican evangelical! So please don't categorize me and others as well!

Mr. Mark Silk,
I am a Jewish believer in Jesus. Most blogs and news services have quoted the same one paragraph of the six-page transcript of the message that David Brickner of Jews for Jesus delivered at Sarah Palin’s church, giving the false impression that he is saying that a bulldozer attack by a deranged Palestinian is God’s judgment on the Jewish people. Please read or listen to the entire message for yourself at www.jewsforjesus.org/blog/20080817 so that you can hear Brickner’s remarks in context. Please also take a look at Brickner’s comments concerning his message at Wasilla Bible Church, as well as interviews by Christianity Today and MSNBC with Brickner about this issue, at www.jewsforjesus.org. Among other things, Brickner says, "The comments attributed to me were taken out of context. The notion that the terrorist, bulldozer attack in Jerusalem this summer was God’s judgment on Israel for not believing in Jesus, is absolutely not what I believe. In retrospect, I can see how my rhetoric might be misunderstood and I truly regret that . . . . Let me be clear. I don’t believe that any one event whether a terrorist attack or a natural disaster is a specific fulfillment of or manifestation of a Biblical prediction of judgment. I don’t believe that the newspaper should be used to interpret the Bible. The Bible interprets the Bible. I love my Jewish people and the land of Israel. I stand with and support her against all efforts to harm her or her people in any way."

John McCain was on "The View" a few weeks ago. He told the ladies that he prays each and every morning upon awaking. So please don't say that he does not talk about his faith. I have heard him speak of it several times.

Obama denies that he was in his church on the days his preacher was preaching against America, against white folk, etc. He was a member of that church for 20 years. Every day more and more of Obama's deceit is coming to light. America needs to wake up. And we need to give all of this to God- He is the only hope that we have!

It is OK to be angry for a while but is there any reason why it seems that a leader of one particular party and his supporters need lessons in anger management.

I agree that the government programs should not be taking care of the poor and suffering, but where are these so called "Christians"? They are arguing as to who is the Right candidate for president. Why are they not helping at soup kitchens or homeless shelters? Is it because these and other areas are beyond their comfort levels? Or is it because they would rather throw money at it hoping the problems will go away like the "tax and spend liberals"! I am in partly in this position because I have had liver cancer surgery and am currently on chemotherapy, so my employer (a multinational retailer) has me on constant medical leave because I have not been there one year. I do have a pension, but it does not cover the total of of my rent or my Cobra medical insurance alone. I am going to try to get food stamps and rental assistance, but I don't know if I qualify for either. As far as I'm concerned I am NOT going to vote for the Republican or Democratic candidates for any office from the presidency down to the local level because of the partisinship, bickering and the promises that these politicians will NOT keep. In case you're wondering, I an going to vote for as many third party candidates as I can. And no, I am NOT going waste my vote because voting for Democrats and Republicans is an even BIGGER waste of my vote

I DON'T BELIEVE IN HUSSEIN BARACK OBAMA. HE HAS IN THE PAST BEEN TOO ASSOCIATED WITH CROOKS IN THE CHICAGO AREA. I WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN/PALIN.
ONE OF THE REASONS IS PALIN IS 95% IN ALASKA FOR WHAT SHE HAS DONE. I BELIEVE THAT MCCAIN HAS A WINNER WITH PALIN! WILL GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON TRACK.
I DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO OWN BANKS AND INSURANCE COMPANIES. WE ARE NOW TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT.
I BELIEVE THAT A BABY IS A PERSON WHEN CONCEIVED.
GOD WANTS US TO HELP THE POOR! GOVERNMENT IS NOT HELPING THE POOR! GOD WANTS THE POOR TO HELP THEMSELVES. GIVE A MAN A FISH AND HE IS FED FOR A DAY. TEACH HIM TO FISH AND HE WILL EAT EVERY DAY.
OUR SCHOOLS ARE A MESS! WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT? THE ILLEGAL PRISONERS OR OUR EDUCATON?
I VISITED A COLLEGE AND I WAS SHOCKED THAT MOST OF THE STUDENTS WERE MIDDLE EAST OR ORIENTAL! WHO IS PAYING FOR THESE KIDS COLLEGE? THERE ENGLISH WAS NOT GOOD. IS THE TAX PAYER PAYING FOR THEIR EDUCATON AND MY GRAND-KIDS AND KIDS ARE STRUGGLING FOR A COLLEGE EDUCATION?
IF OBAMS GETS INTO OFFICE HE WILL MAKE SURE THE WELFARE HAS MORE MONEY TO HELP THESE PEOPLE STAY AT HOME AND DO NOTHING WITH THEIR LIVES.
I VOLUNTEER, 12 YEARS, FOR ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE CENTER AND I KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THESE PEOPLE. THEY WANT A HAND OUT AND DO DRUGS AND DRINK AND STAY ON WELFARE. WE HAVE CREATED THIS MESS AND WE NEED TO STOP AND THINK OF WHAT WE ARE DOING TO THESE PEOPLE.
ANYONE ON WELFARE MUST WORK AND WHEN THEY FIND OUT THAT DIGGING A DITCH OR GETTING AN EDUCATION, ONE IS GOING TO MAKE THEM A BETTER PERSON OUR SYSTEM WILL WORK. WHEN THEY PICK UP THEIR WELFARE CHECK THEY GET A DRUG TEST, IF POSITIVE, NO CHECK AND KIDS TAKEN AWAY. THESE KIDS ARE GOING TO BE ON WELFARE IF THEY STAY IN THIS SITUATION. I KNOW FAMILIES THAT ARE FIVE (5) GENERATIONS ON WELFARE!
WE NEED LOTS OF PRAYER!!
OBAMA WAY IS TO KILL THE BABIES, EVEN HIS OWN GRANDKDS. WE NEED TO PRAY FOR THIS MAN.

Nellie and Co, I hope you are listening.

Today, McCain was at his best. He denounced all the disrespectful lies and innuendos about Obama. McCain described Obama as a decent, family man with whom he disagrees on issues. He was booed by the crowd but he was a hero at that moment. We shall watch to see if he will return to the high way he allowed his campaign to drift away from in recent weeks.

For those who care...1. William Ibershof the chief prosecutor of weather underground, said it was wrong to link Obama with acts of terrorism committed when Obama was 8 yrs old by William Ayers and his infamous group in the "70s.

2.Today,William Ayers is a respected Professor of English at the University of ILL. His wife, who was also a member of that infamous group is a professor of law at Northwestern University, Chicago. Professors are regularly screened by the intelligent agencies, why both continue to teach if they are "domestic terrorists" cast doubts on our intelligent agencies.Why does Ayers continue to teach if he is a "domestic terrorist" as per Sarah Palin's account? Another demonstration of Palin's shallowness and ignorance.

3.Williams Ayers in 1997 was awarded "The Chicago citizen" award by a republican governor for his contributions in education to the state of Ill.

4.Williams served in a board set up by a republican governor in which Obama was tapped as the chairman. Some members of the board were republican conservatives, one of whom has contributed $1500 to McCain's campaign todate.

5.The Chicago Annenberg Challenge board where Ayers and Obama's path crossed was funded by Walter Annenberg, whose widow Leonore endorsed McCain and is a financial donor to the McCain's campaign.

6. During the Democratic primaries, Hillary brought up Ayers issue and Obama after denouncing Ayers past actions when he was 8 years old, quickly reminded Hillary that Ayers was granted a presidential pardon by none other than Bill Clinton.

Why McCain with above facts allowed his campaign to be dragged into this quasi allegations undermined his integrity and judgement. I am glad he is taking steps to stop incendiary comments from his supporters. Whereas Sarah Palin continues to exhibit her ignorance by asking the liberal media to inquire more into Ayers/Obama association while she refuses to grant the media access to her, to ask her about the troopergate investigation in Alaska neither did she honor a court ordered subpoena to testify..another Rove/Cheney in the making, you see the familiarity of what lies ahead in the next 4 yrs if McCain/Palin ticket is voted into office, not to mention perpetuating the failed Bush/Cheney policies that we need a 180 degrees turn from.

I think it is interesting that Sarah Palin can act so self-righteous about a lot of things but doesn't mind consorting with an adulterer who left his first wife after she was disfigured and crippled to marry a much younger woman with a lot of money!
And put this together with allowing people to yell Kill Him Kill Him at her rallies and doing nothing about it, makes her look worse than McCain.

As for those who supported Bush because of the marriage amendment he was supposed to pass, well I guess you were taken in by that one. It came up once and not pursued because there was never any intention of those who worked to get him in there to have that passed.

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One person's religious identity is only his personal matter of headache.And Sarah Palin's as well.

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