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October 9, 2008

Younger Evangelicals More Progressive on Issues. On Candidates, Not So Much.

One of the big takeaways from [yesterday]'s new poll on religious voters is that white evangelicals under 35 are a lot more progressive than their parents, by a number of different measures. It's worth noting that abortion is not one of them:

More than six-in-ten (62%) say abortion is very important to their vote, compared to 55% of older evangelicals. Young white evangelicals are also strongly opposed to abortion rights, with approximately one-third saying abortion should be legal all or most of the time--almost identical to the percentage of older evangelicals.

But gay rights and diplomacy and other issues are are a much different story:

On the issue of same-sex marriage, by contrast, the influence of their generational peers is clear. Nearly four-in-ten young evangelicals say they have a close friend or family member who is gay or lesbian--a rate approximately the same as all young adults and more than double the rate of older evangelicals. Among older evangelicals, nearly half (49%) say same-sex marriage is an important voting issue, and a strong majority (61%) say there should be no legal recognition of a gay couple's relationship. Among younger white evangelicals, however, less than a majority see same-sex marriage as a very important voting issue, and a majority (52%) favor either same-sex marriage or civil unions. The generation gap is largest on the issue of marriage, where younger white evangelicals are more than 2.5 times as likely to support same-sex marriage than older white evangelicals.

Despite their conservative views on abortion and stereotypes as single-issue voters, like older white evangelicals, young white evangelicals have a voting agenda that is much broader than abortion and same-sex marriage. Fully two-thirds of younger evangelicals say they would still vote for a candidate even if the candidate disagreed with them on the issue of abortion. Younger evangelicals rank a number of other issues, such as economic issues, terrorism, and Iraq higher than abortion, and roughly equal numbers say that health care is a very important voting issue as say abortion.

....A majority (56%) of younger evangelicals believe that diplomacy rather than military strength is the best way to ensure peace, compared to only 44% of older white evangelicals. Finally, younger white evangelicals are more likely than older white evangelicals to favor a bigger government offering more services by a margin of 20 points (44% and 24% respectively).

And yet that leftward lurch on issues doesn't translate into as dramatic a shift on the candidates:

Like older evangelicals, younger evangelicals strongly identify with the Republican Party and support John McCain, but levels of support among younger evangelicals were modestly lower for McCain (65% vs. 69%) and higher for Barack Obama (29% vs. 25%). Like their generational peers, younger evangelicals are also significantly less likely to identify as conservative than older evangelicals.

So what gives? A few analysts on this morning's Faith in Public Life call pinned Obama's failure to peel off more young evangelical voters from John McCain on a lackluster effort to reach those voters by the Obama team.

That doesn't wash with God-o-Meter. Obama's religious outreach director is himself a 26-year-old Pentecostal. The Obama camp's current faith tour is built largely around sending evangelical author Donald Miller to evangelical campuses like Calvin College and to campuses in evangelical strongholds, such as Hope College in Holland, Michigan.

An Obama aide says the campaign's religious outreach team had no illusions about being able to make major inroads into the evangelical world: "Our outreach is concentrated in states like Pennsylvania and Ohio. We're talking to moderate faith voters broadly, often more to Mainline Protestants than evangelicals. Bush won Mainliners in 2004 so that's been a focus. We're winning Catholics and Mainliners and Latino evangelicals, and we've increased over 2004 among evangelicals while McCain has dropped a few points."

But it's undeniable that evangelical outreach has been a major focus of Obama's effort. So what's the real reason his evangelical outreach has paid such patry dividends?

(Originally posted at Beliefnet's God-o-Meter)

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I have linked on the side bar to this post as a resource for:

Why and How Prop 8 must pass.

Cases of parental rights under attack has been documented

Supreme Court Allows Gay Agenda to Trump Parental Rights

* On April 27, 2005, a Massachusetts father was jailed after requesting that his 6-year-old son's school notify him when it discussed homosexuality or transgenderism

* In early March 2007, a Massachusetts high school banned parents from attending a seminar for students on how they can know they are homosexual

* In March 2007 freshmen were told not to tell their parents about Deerfield (Ill.) High School's pro-gay seminar and were required to sign a confidentiality agreement.

Cases of Schools attacked

* On May 8, 2008, a black administrator was fired from the University of Toledo, Ohio, for objecting to the comparison of black discrimination to same-sex marriage.

* In February 2008, a professor was fired from San Jose Evergreen Community College after being accused of providing an "offensive" answer out of the textbook to a student's question about heredity and homosexual behavior.

Freedom of speech of students and ability to express what they read in the bible.

* Student told: 'Leave your faith in the car'

Churches freedom of speech attacked

* July 2008, Philadelphia Judges Rule Homosexual Rights Trump Christian Message

* Freedom of Speech - Pastor Stephen Boissoin - Hate Speech

Adoption Services attacked

* Case C 06-2351 MHP • Religious Freedom to Deny Adoption\

* Oct 6, 2008, San Francisco Catholic Charities Ends Relationship with the US' "Gayest Adoption Agency"

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Lies,Innuendos,Lies,Innuendos,Lies,Innuendos,Lies,Innuendos does not help McCain, if anything it helps Obama more and make McCain look like a helpless,angry,desperate bad looser. Let us stick to the truth and be graceful.

Here are some truths about Obama that I'm confident are not being mentioned on the Obama "Faith, Family, & Values Tour":

Obama is firmly committed to an agenda of abortion-related policy changes that, if implemented, would greatly increase the numbers of abortions performed.

The pro-life movement has won enactment of literally hundreds of state laws related to abortion -- laws that save many lives, despite the severe limits imposed by the Supreme Court's pro-abortion rulings. Studies by both pro-life researchers and pro-abortion researchers agree about this effect, although of course the pro-abortion side uses different language to describe it. These laws include informed consent laws (some of which now require the woman seeking an abortion to be offered ultrasound images of the unborn child), waiting periods, and parental notification and consent laws. All of these laws, and any other law that would "interfere with" access to abortion, would be nullified by the "Freedom of Choice Act" (FOCA, S. 1173), which is a proposed federal law that Obama has cosponsored. As the National Organization for Women put it, it would "sweep away hundreds of anti-abortion laws [and] policies."

On July 17, 2007, Obama stood in front of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, the lobbying-political arm of the nation's largest abortion provider, and pledged, "The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That's the first thing that I'd do."

Cardinal Justin Rigali, in a September 19, 2008, letter to members of Congress, explained with great clarity the sweeping power of the language contained in the FOCA:

"First it [the FOCA] creates a 'fundamental right' to abortion throughout the nine months of pregnancy, including a right to abort a fully developed child in the final weeks for undefined 'health' reasons. No government body at any level would be able to 'deny or interfere with' this newly created federal right. Second, it forbids government at all levels to 'discriminate' against the exercise of this right 'in the regulation or provision of benefits, facilities, services, or information.' For the first time, abortion on demand would be a national entitlement that government must condone and promote in all public programs affecting pregnant women."

Rigali added: "We cannot reduce abortions by insisting that every program supporting women in childbirth and child care must also support abortion. No one who sponsors or supports legislation like FOCA can credibly claim to be part of a good-faith discussion on how to reduce abortions."

Obama also advocates repeal of the Hyde Amendment, the law that since 1976 has blocked almost all federal funding of abortion. In other words, he wants to repeal one of the most successful "abortion reduction" policies ever adopted. By even the most conservative estimate, there are more than one million Americans alive today because of the Hyde Amendment. Even the Alan Guttmacher Institute (linked to Planned Parenthood) and NARAL admit that the Hyde Amendment (and the similar policies adopted by many states) have resulted in many, many babies being born who otherwise would have been aborted -- indeed, the pro-abortion groups periodically put out papers complaining about this effect. According to a 2007 NARAL factsheet, "A study by The Guttmacher Institute shows that Medicaid-eligible women in states that exclude abortion coverage have abortion rates of about half of those women in statesthat fund abortion care with their own dollars. This suggests that the Hyde amendment forces about half the women who would otherwise have abortions to carry unintended pregnancies to term and bear children against their wishes instead." Because the Hyde Amendment must be renewed annually, it could quickly be endangered under a president determined to re-establish federal funding of abortion on demand.

Obama has also pledged to make abortion coverage part of his proposed national health insurance plan.

Obama even advocates repeal of the national ban on partial-birth abortions, which the U.S. Supreme Court upheld in 2007 on a 5-4 vote, in a ruling that Obama harshly criticized. Indeed, one of the major purposes of the "Freedom of Choice Act," according to its prime sponsors, is the nullification of the ban on partial-birth abortions.

Let me close with just one more example of the phoniness of the Obama "abortion reduction" sales pitch. Across the nation, crisis pregnancy centers (CPCs) provide all manner of assistance to women who are experiencing crisis pregnancies, and they save the lives of many children. A very modest amount of federal funding going to such centers in some states. Pro-life lawmakers have pushed legislation to greatly expand such funding, but it has been blocked by lawmakers allied with the abortion lobby. Late in 2007, RHrealitycheck.org, a prominent pro-abortion advocacy website (representing the side hostile to such funding), submitted in writing the following question to the Obama campaign: "Does Sen. Obama support continuing federal funding for crisis pregnancy centers?" The Obama campaign's written response was short, but it spoke volumes: "No."

Douglas Johnson
Legislative Director
National Right to Life Committee (NRLC)
Washington, D.C.
www-dot-nrlc-dot-org
legfederal--at--aol-dot-com

Do not forget who is the 'god' of Obama's church, where he sat under this teaching for 20 yrs:

"The leading theorist of Black Liberation Theology is James Cone. Overtly racist, Cone's writings posit a black Jesus who leads African-Americans as the "chosen people." In Cone's cosmology, whites are "the devil," and "all white men are responsible for white oppression." Cone makes this point without ambiguity: "This country was founded for whites and everything that has happened in it has emerged from the white perspective," Cone has written. "What we need is the destruction of whiteness, which is the source of human misery in the world."

If whiteness stands for all that is evil, blackness symbolizes all that is good. "Black theology," says Cone, "refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." Small wonder that some critics have condemned black liberation theology as "racist idolatry" and "Afro-Nazism."

Furthermore, according to Cone, "black values" are superior to American values. Sure enough, the "About Us" statement on Trinity's web page includes the following Cone-inspired declaration: "We are an African people, and remain 'true to our native land,' the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."

It is troubling that Barack Obama's closest friends and allies subscribe to an explicitly racist doctrine. Even more worrying is that the main exponent of Black Liberation Theology sees Obama as a kindred spirit. In the wake of the controversy surrounding Obama's pastor and Church, Cone said: "I've read both of Barack Obama's books, and I heard the speech [on race]. I don't see anything in the books or in the speech that contradicts black liberation theology."

Thanks for your "truths" but it does not explain certain facts on the other side of the aisle. Despite the Bush/Cheney/McCain tax cuts, why we have fewer businesses, more job losses,more bad credits, more failed banks than before the tax cuts.

With promises of cleaning the white house and congress from Bush/Cheney/McCain aka maverick, we had more scandals and abuse of power..

Despite all the noise about abortion and homosexuality which of course I oppose...we had more cases of infidelity from members of the past republican led congress...

In spite of the noise about Williams Ayers and the very less convincing relationship with Obama, why does Ayers continue to pass the security clearance from our intelligence to continue to teach or are we ignorant that all professors must pass the national security data bank scrutiny before getting a teaching job? Yet, it is far more convenient for us to gloss over Palin's association with the Alaskan separatist advocacy group.Who exactly is putting the country first by politicking with audiences liberal with incendiary comments?

Americans are more intelligent to have a broader national discuss than the current debate.Efforts to distract from more pressing issues and change the national discuss.These efforts to divert from the national discuss on issues to personalities(which were addressed respectively by both party primaries)to some extent have been successful,since we have spent time discussing these distractions rather than events of the past 8 years and the way forward for our dear nation.Ayers and far stretched quasi-Obama association have nothing to do with the past 8 years which Sen.McCain on the contrary have been visibly part of.

My uttermost concern is that no matter who wins (even if it is McCain/Palin ticket)at the end of it all there will more bitter, antagonistic and angry conservatives even with a republican victory.It ought not to be victory at all cost.

It's interesting. When white males do theology, it's called "Theology" with the assumption that it's the norm. However, when blacks do theology, or women, or asians, or latin americans try to find God in the midst of their experience of oppression (mostly from the oppression by white men) , it's "Black Theology" or "Liberation Theology" or "Feminist Theology."

It's unfortunate that one would categorize an entire segment of theology by the words of one theologian, as if there weren't Black Liberation Theologians (like Dr. Cornel West) who would disagree with the aspects of hate found in the words of James Cone. It's also unfortunate that instead of seeing the honest struggle and suffering of entire groups of people trying to reconcile their very real historical and present experiences with a God of love and justice (the core of Liberation Theology), we instead plug our ears and go along doing "proper" [read: white or "objective"] theology from a position of power and comfort.

The reason for the difference in theology is has to do with origins and integrity. Also, there is no "white" theology. Biblical theology was originally Jewish. And it was based on reconciling all men to God. It had nothing to do with enabling one race to get even with another race. In the sad history of mankind, all races have enslaved each other and all have been slaves. None are innocent, even blacks. So, this business of trying to get even is pointless. But the biblical perspective of forgiveness and redemption is the only true hope.

Most of theology is "white" due to the fact that one cannot do theology (or anything, for that matter) in a vacuum. Therefore, whatever it means to be "white" has esconced itself into those who are doing the theology, simply based on the virtue of who they are. For instance, the theology of Luther and Wesley are intrinsically white, laden with the socio-religious political culture of the time. Does it mean that it holds no value to those who are not white? Definitely not. But it's limited in its understanding and expression. We don't need to go into all the historical cases in which certain "objective" theologies have been used to oppress people or rape the planet. It's no wonder that Christianity was seen as the cultural arm of Western imperialism. It sat snugly with the callous horrors of trying to "civilize" pagans according to its understanding of civility. All theology is biased to some degree. The question is whether or not one will admit it, and after admitting it, if one is willing to learn from those who have done theology from their experiences. The beauty of the body of Christ is that different cultures and peoples have intrinsically different ways of experiencing the world and history, and if we are willing to admit that we do not have an iron grasp on truth, we can learn much about the heart of God and the Biblical narrative through their experiences.

The beauty of the body of Christ is that the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth, past our cultural bias. Culture blinds us more than it enlightens; and it doesn't matter which culture we live in. Each culture sees Scripture through its own lens. The work of the Holy Spirit is to open our eyes to see Jesus and to understand Him as He is, not as cultures make Him to be.

Jesus "as he is" chose to be incarnated into a specific culture at a specific time, in the midst of specific socio-political context. We are created as cultural beings, and the attempt to somehow levitate above that is not something that Jesus even attempted to do. The images, parables, and lessons Jesus used were all laden with cultural nuance and understanding. No, Jesus did not consider culture something that intrinsically blinds. In fact, the mentality that Scripture is somehow acultural has consistently led to its misinterpretation and abuse. This is not to say that there are no universal truths. However, it does mean that such truths may manifest themselves differently in different cultures. But to even try and understand those truths, we must understand Scripture as a historical document as much as we claim it to be the Word of God. Lest I am accused of wholesale approval of culture, it must be noted that Jesus did not flinch to challenge the culture where it was fallen and put forth and inaugurated a vision of the Kingdom that was a dramatic upheaval of the contemporary ideas of the time. In the same vein, our job is not to somehow shed the shell of cultures to find some nugget of "untainted" truth in a Gnostic/Platonic sort of way. Rather, it is the realization that the Kingdom can and does manifest itself in the midst of culture, something of beauty that God has ingrained in us. Jesus who came as a poor Jew in the 1st century can and does show himself in the midst of current cultures. He still does what he did 2000 years ago... he challenges the culture to heed the ways of the Kingdom he will consummate with no pretensions of favoritism.

Posted by: fonzi at October 10, 2008

Just saying that they are lies repeatedly does not substantiate your position. Mere deflections reflects poorly on one's credibility.

The Obama media mania has filtered out the truth so that the average American has only a partial incomplete picture of who Obama truly is.

Obama Kool-Aid drinkers will not recognize truth even if it hits them between the eyes.

The facts presented by Douglas Johnson are solid!

I dare anyone to try to refute his summary of Obama's views on abortion.

Come on, fonzi. Give it a try.

Proof Obama backed ruthless, foreign thug

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77508

Farrakhan on Obama: 'The Messiah is absolutely speaking'

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77539

Look! back ground the democrat rather liberal and apply non Christianity.
American non racist if we compare to China, Arab, Korea, Japan, Europe.
USA Government employee some from black not like in Europe.
Obama cant change USA be better, it's just promoted to his ambition.

I see the bigots are alive and well here at Christianity Today as well. I'm so sad for America, look what we've become.

"Younger Evangelicals More Progressive on Issues. On Candidates, Not So Much."
So... supporting Obama... is progressive?

I am 21, Christian, and living in a developing country outside of the US. I want Obama to win.

Did it ever occur to you that terrorist groups might or might not want a certain candidate to win, not because he will be manipulated to their ends, but because they think he can end wars that shouldn't have started in the first place?

Terrorists are human beings, too. They are motivated by the same things that motivate us (they just, unfortunately, chose violent means to those ends), and underneath, they must want peace as much as we do.

Where I live, there is a Muslim insurgency motivated by poverty and anger, but all they really want is peace and fair treatment from the government. Muslims hate Christians because they have come to represent oppression instead of Jesus' love and grace. To combat this kind of conflict, we are supposed to witness well, not brand them all as terrorists and deploy our troops to stamp them out.

To get back to the topic at hand, many of us non-Americans fear that a McCain victory would usher in the same kind of mistakes made under the Bush administration. Obama may not be perfect, but of the two candidates, I believe that he would rule your country more effectively.

Please choose your candidates, not according to how he will act on a single issue, but on how equipped he is to lead your country. Maybe one of them disagrees with you on abortion or same-sex marriage. Don't let his stance on a single issue be your deciding point. Let his character, skills, and faith be it. In your church, you and your senior pastor may not agree about certain things, but you do recognize that he or she is the best one for the job, don't you?

And, anyone who thinks that non-Americans shouldn't have a say in the American election fails to recognize just how much weight America throws around in the world. What happens there where you are affects what happens here where I am. Whoever wins will affect not just how life goes in your country, but also in mine. So, your vote doesn't just decide for your country; it decides for the world. Please choose wisely.

Donald Miller is not an evangelical. He is a guy who is out
for his 15 minutes of fame, and is willing to overlook the killing
of babies and pre-born children for a mere pittance. Since
Chistianity Today is a magazine with writers, editors, publisher...
it should use words in their true meaning. May God have mercy on
those who call abortion and infanticide a "single" issue.
EVANGELICAL::::::
""emphasizing salvation by faith in the atoning death of Jesus Christ through personal conversion,"" ""the authority of Scripture, and the importance of preaching as contrasted with
ritual""

EVANGELICAL:::::
of, relating to, or being in agreement with the Christian gospel especially as it is presented in the four Gospels............
emphasizing salvation by faith in the atoning death of Jesus Christ through personal conversion, the authority of Scripture, and the importance of preaching as contrasted with ritual.................
Is Donald Miller an "evangelical"? Or is he just out for his
15 minutes of fame. An "evangelical" would not poo poo abortion
and infanticide. What a diservice to every woman and girl in
America! Don't say you care about genocide as long as it is in a
different country. I hope the per diem is comforting. May God have mercy!

So we have a mix of lies and truth about Obama. Mostly lies, but some truth regarding his stand on abortion rights.

But go back to Obama's comment at Saddleback about when personhood begins. He, like most Americans, like most people internationally, do not know with certainty when personhood begins. Most people do not view a developing bay as a person in the first trimester. Most people do in the third trimester.

As evangelical christians, we can rely on the bible for help and guidance on this question. And we might be surprised that the bible does not teach personhood from conception. Instead what we find throught the OT is life defined in terms of breath, with life beginning when breath enters and ending when breath departs.

So according the scripture, the evangelical guide to everything, abortion is not murder, because the foetus is not alive.

Which would make Obama's stance more biblical, more christian than McCains.

Check it out.

Hey Douglas great to hear from you.God bless you. Thank you for weighing in on this subject, I appreciate hearing the truth and will be praying that those who really need to see your message will do so. The culture of death that Obamma and his friends are promoting while at the same time asking for others to help the poor and needy of the world are a blight upon this nation. Abomination to God = an Obamma Nation

Quote - "Terrorists are human beings, too. They are motivated by the same things that motivate us (they just, unfortunately, chose violent means to those ends), and underneath, they must want peace as much as we do."

What color is the sky in your world? Yes they are human beings. But they are also murderers. And no, they do not want peace. They want to dominate you and me.

You might want to check that kool aid you're drinking.

Quote - "So according the scripture, the evangelical guide to everything, abortion is not murder, because the foetus is not alive."

Lev. 17:11 states that "For the life of the flesh is in the blood...."

Blood begins forming at around day 17/18 of the pregnancy.

To make a definitive statement that the fetus is not alive is absurd and dangerous.

Well, that is your opinion regarding terrorists, Leland, and I will respect that.

My opinion about them was formed under a blue sky and a few hours' boat ride from where terrorists and their families live, trying to reclaim stolen land and end discrimination. Like I said, they unfortunately choose the wrong means.

Perhaps the only reason they want to 'dominate' us, if that is the case, is because those who have been educated in Western ways of thinking have tried to dominate them for so long. Fighting back with guns and bombs will only fan the flames.

Hey Katrina, quit stealing my quotes!
(terrorist are people two.
Oh by the way Bush blew up the twin towers,
or was it the seventh tower and and and....
And what about the muslim father in Vancouver
who killed his own daughters for wearing
blue jeans, and called it an "HONOR KILLING?"

all Obama back ground families are moslem, and how about abortion, gay married, horrible.

Trent, I think you would not impress many scholars with your witty attempt at Biblical Exegesis. There are also verses in the Bible where it is clear that God is "forming" the foetus inside the Womb, and that each life is pre-ordained by God (I will spare all the references, you know they are there). You made a very unconvincing attempt to assert that, according to the Bible, the foetus is not a human life. Please do not try and decieve others for political gain.

Leland, thank you for your posts. Good distinctions made that we must agree, as a free society, that terrorists who fly planes into buildings or blow themselves up on the streets of Tel Aviv, are murderers (although perhaps misguided.)

I am concerned that so many of my Christian peers do not see the importance of supporting Biblical marriage. You have know obligation to use your vote to encourage the govt. to sanction a union that it has never before, and that God has not ordained. Yes, lets be respectful and protective of everyone's right to security and freedom from harassment, but lets also be leaders in guiding our society in the way God has defined. Remember, this is not about hate, nor "taking away rights" that a group has wanted to claim for yourselves, but supporting principles society that will be best for all and most conducive to a healthy population. Remember, those same homosexual friends and relatives are sometimes also the activists who force their views on sexuality in the classroom on gradeschoolers in Massachussetts, and who prevent parents (which will be you one day) from governing the education of their children. I have often seen that it is the homosexual population that is disrepectful, offensive, oppressive, and hateful towards Christians who are only supporting the guidance of their faith. There is such a thing as religious discrimination as well.

Trent, I think you would not impress many scholars with your witty attempt at Biblical Exegesis. There are also verses in the Bible where it is clear that God is "forming" the foetus inside the Womb, and that each life is pre-ordained by God (I will spare all the references, you know they are there). You made a very unconvincing attempt to assert that, according to the Bible, the foetus is not a human life. Please do not try and decieve others for political gain.

Leland, thank you for your posts. Good distinctions made that we must agree, as a free society, that terrorists who fly planes into buildings or blow themselves up on the streets of Tel Aviv, are murderers (although perhaps misguided.)

I am concerned that so many of my Christian peers do not see the importance of supporting Biblical marriage. You have know obligation to use your vote to encourage the govt. to sanction a union that it has never before, and that God has not ordained. Yes, lets be respectful and protective of everyone's right to security and freedom from harassment, but lets also be leaders in guiding our society in the way God has defined. Remember, this is not about hate, nor "taking away rights" that a group has wanted to claim for yourselves, but supporting principles society that will be best for all and most conducive to a healthy population. Remember, those same homosexual friends and relatives are sometimes also the activists who force their views on sexuality in the classroom on gradeschoolers in Massachussetts, and who prevent parents (which will be you one day) from governing the education of their children. I have often seen that it is the homosexual population that is disrepectful, offensive, oppressive, and hateful towards Christians who are only supporting the guidance of their faith. There is such a thing as religious discrimination as well.