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November 18, 2008

Can Obama Call Himself a Christian?

A mini debate has exploded on several blogs over whether President-elect Barack Obama can call himself a Christian.

If you're just catching up, first read this 2004 interview with Obama, but here are the relevant sections.

FALSANI: Who's Jesus to you? (Obama laughs nervously)

OBAMA: Right. Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he's also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he's also a wonderful teacher. I think it's important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.

On Sin

FALSANI: What is sin?

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

FALSANI: What happens if you have sin in your life?

OBAMA: I think it's the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I'm true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I'm not true to it, it's its own punishment.

On Hell

Obama: ?There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they're going to hell.

FALSANI: You don't believe that?

OBAMA: I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell.

I can't imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That's just not part of my religious makeup.

On Heaven

FALSANI: Do you believe in heaven?

OBAMA: Do I believe in the harps and clouds and wings?

FALSANI: A place spiritually you go to after you die?

OBAMA: What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.

Here are just some of the bloggers weighing in.

Joe Carter

1. Obama is not a orthodox Christian. He may call himself a "Christian" in the same way that some Unitarians use the term to refer to themselves. But his beliefs do not seem to be in line with the historic definition.

2. In the 20 years that Obama attended Trinity, did he never hear a clear exposition of the Gospel? Did the Rev. Jeremiah Wright never once preach on the need for a saving faith in Christ? If not, then that is more scandalous than any of the anti-American remarks Wright made from the pulpit.

3. Although I already pray for Obama (as the Bible commands me to do) I now realize that I also need to pray for his eternal soul and not just that he be an effective leader of our nation. I also pray that he will find a spiritual leader who will help lead him to a true knowledge of Christ.

Rod Dreher

Unless Obama was being incredibly and uncharacteristically inarticulate, this is heterodox. You cannot be a Christian in any meaningful sense and deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. You just can't.

Alan Jacobs

So when people say "I am a Christian" I accept them at their word, just as I hope that they accept me at my word when I make the same claim.

But the conversation doesn't have to end there, does it? It seems to me that, having taken President-elect Obama at his word when he claims the Christian faith, we can then go on to discuss what he thinks Christianity is, who he thinks who Jesus is, what obligations he believes a Christian takes on by virtue of being a Christian, and so on. And as that conversation proceeds we might say to him that we think his understanding of Christianity sadly limited, or the place of Christ in his theology to be insufficient and wrong-headed, or whatever.


Daniel Larison

Rod and Carter are correct that by any formal, credal standard of traditional Christianity in any confession, Obama is heterodox. It is important to distinguish this from the more loaded question of whether or not he is a Christian. It is relatively easy to demonstrate heterodoxy, but more difficult to show non-Christianity, and this is as it should be.

Ross Douthat

Now it's true that if he had been asked about Christ's nature, Bush - or Ronald Reagan, to take another conservative President with an idiosyncratic religious sensibility - might have given a more Nicaean answer than Obama did in the interview in question. But then again maybe not! (And God only knows what John McCain, the most pagan Presidential contender we've had in some time, might have said.)

Andrew Sullivan

The Incarnation is just such a bridge and a mystery. I guess I find a modern Christianity that is not attuned to that mystery, not willing to reimagine and undergo God in ways that may not always merely repeat orthodoxy to be ... well, moribund as a faith. I don't think Obama's engagement with it to be unChristian, merely modern.

Tony Jones

So I'll end with this: It seems that there is one sine qua non for Christianity, and it was articulated by St. Paul in Romans 10:9,
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
And it is abundantly clear that Barack Obama has, on many occasions, affirmed that Jesus is Lord.

I have nothing to offer, except to offer our readers a place to comment (on theology, not Obama's politics).

Comments

Thank you for providing busy people with this round-up!

This is America. He can call himself anything he wants. The more important question is, what would Jesus call him? Somehow, "Good and Faithful Servant" doesn't come to mind.

Yup... read it all before and "NO!" he can't. Just one ruse of many. Anyone who reads and truly understands the Bible would see that Obama is lost. Why else would so many people in the true Church who love Jesus and understand He is their saviour b e praying for Obama's salvation? He himself is deceived, and is being used by the deceiver to deceive millions. We need to be on our knees!

Obama is clearly not remotely a Christian by Christ's teaching and his word!

And if CT can be so easily fooled by a sleazy politician, then God Help you guys when the Anti Christ arrives!!

What are you guys on here?? Seriously!! Is CT now apostate also? This is a no brainer...easy...

Would you also call Bishop Spong a christian? Or marcus borg? Or any Liberal christ denying personage?

WAKE UP....and get on your knees and pray for Obama's salvation and his family...and pray for the salvation of all our leaders because their isn't a whole lotta christians amongst them!!

And perhaps...just perhaps judging by the appalling lack of discernment on CT's staff and such...we need to be praying for some of the people who work at CT who may need the Savior!!

It seems people are buying the delusion quite easily...even 'sheep' amongst us..

God Help us all

Certainly not "orthodox" but no less "Christian" than many attending liberal churches today.

Unfortunately, pollster Barna has exposed the raw and uncomfortable truth that even among Evangelical church attenders, there are many who display even looser standards of orthodoxy than Mr. Obama.

I am personally disturbed by the universalist tendencies of politically correct Christianity, but apart from encouraging better preaching and teaching in the pulpit (thank you PreachingToday.com!), and doig discipleship and mentoring better, there's not much to be done about it.

Rich
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I agree with the comments that say these answers show Obama to be heterodox in his beliefs. The key question, however, is whether he is a believer. There are and always have been true believers whose doctine is out of whack and God, by his grace, still saves them. It is not our theology that saves, but our trust in the saving work of Christ.

Regarding the last comment concerning Romans 10:9, I must ask as Christ did in Matthew 16:15 "Who do you say I am?". In today's relativistic world, there are many "christians" who say the right words, but their definitions of what the words actually mean are not orthodox. It is crucial to define terms in these sorts of discussions. From what I have read here, I might question if Obama thinks that Christ is the incarnation the only true God who created the universe.

Can Obama call himself a Christian? Yes, there is nothing wrong with anyone that has a diffent view of religion. He was elected to govern not to be a minister, rabbi, or Father of us all.

I was at a dinner a few years ago and talked to a man and we questioned if the BIBLE was history or faith or both. Everyone to his own.

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

John 14:6

If you can not believe and affirm this, Christ's own words, you are not a Christian. End of story.
Clearly Obama does not. He is not not nor has he ever been a Christian.

I think Obama is too focused on "self" to be a Christian, using the traditional Christ-centered definition of Christianity. For instance, he defines sin as not being true to himself and not acting in accordance with his personal values. The whole point of Christianity is a denial of "self" (our values and beliefs) because we are ultimately sinners, and our values and beliefs will never measure up to God's; therefore, they're essentially irrelevant.

Also, he talks about what he believes "his" God would or wouldn't do. He says nothing about what the God of the Bible (Jesus) would or wouldn't do. (And he appears to deny Jesus' divinity by calling him a "teacher.") He also he says he will be rewarded if he lives his life as well as he can. That is completely against Scripture. Jesus is pretty clear that good works alone do not guarantee an entrance into heaven.

So, no, I do not believe he is really a Christian.

To ask whether Obama "can call himself a Christian" implies that there are people who have the power to tell him he's not, which, despite the ambitions of these bloggers, and other commenters, is not within their grasp.

This "I'm more Christian than you" stuff is silly.

Anybody who calls themeselves Christians and are doing it to deceive are only fooling themselves because the ultimate judge, God knows our hearts, and konw whether we are Christians or not. Of course we may have not have to wait for that long, because if there are persecutions we will be able to tell the real Christians from the false ones. For they will fall away faster then you can say Christian

If we all would read the BIBLe then let the WORDS sink into our thoughts and minds, WE WOULD KNOW THAT OBAMA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN and that he is one of the DECIEVERS that the Father speaks about. There aree to many "ISSUES" surrounding Obama, to much confusion,unrest,fear,disloyalty,lying, scandals,deceit and so forth. Are these traits of a Chritian? You shall know them by their fruits.

Has anyone posting these comments really read the Bible? Who are we to judge? I believe that that is GOD's right.

A Christian is by definition a follower of Christ. Thus a Christian should believe what Christ taught about Himself. Unfortunately, it seems that Obama’s faith is not very orthodox, to say the least.

"Who do men say that I am? Who do you say I am? Unless one is able to say that Jesus is the great I AM he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. As for little children in India or from other parts of the world Jesus will administer grace to whom He chooses. He does so now to many who HAVE heard the word of God but have thus far failed to acknowledge Him as the great I AM--the way, the truth, and the light. Rather, they smirk the obvious--as did Pontius Pilate, "what is truth?" Paul wrote of his generation, generations past, and generations future in Romans 1 when he said that God has made Himself known to all but many have failed to acknowledge Him. Obama and others may choose dance around the hard questions for now, but they, eventually, must still reply to Him who will demand an answer.

Whatever else Obama may be, he's clearly a Mainline Protestant, where theological fuzzyness and good-feelingness are the main hallmarks of belief.

Eventually this question had to be addressed because of the burning anger existing in right wing Pharisees.Jesus Christ is the only way to God. If you read both of his books, his many current interviews and His own testimony to The Lordship Of Christ you will agree..He is my Brother. If we use the same yardstick to evaluate the angry,hateful rhetoric of avowed Evangeicals (who call him a murderer) then I John's Love yardstick would point a condemning finger. Reading most right wing zealots commentaries explain clearly how anger unconfessed leads to ugly bitterness.

Eventually this question had to be addressed because of the burning anger existing in right wing Pharisees.Jesus Christ is the only way to God. If you read both of his books, his many current interviews and His own testimony to The Lordship Of Christ you will agree..He is my Brother. If we use the same yardstick to evaluate the angry,hateful rhetoric of avowed Evangeicals (who call him a murderer) then I John's Love yardstick would point a condemning finger. Reading most right wing zealots commentaries explain clearly how anger unconfessed leads to ugly bitterness.

There is no such thing...NO SUCH THING...as a "Christian" "President of the United States of America." As a born-again, I cannot in any way, shape, or form see myself running for a position of POWER, while still being a Christian. Make no mistake about it, this is a SECULAR POWER position. When governing an entire nation of different people, you MUST COMPROMISE on policy concerning the direction of the nation if you wish to keep your job. It IS that simple. You cannot serve two masters, as Jesus said. A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways, as James said. You think there's room for Jesus in a 24-hour-a-day job? Even the great Reagan wasn't as "Christian" as he let on. He used it when convenient. The "shining city on a hill" was a gross misinterpretation of scripture, which has been perpetuated since it was said. Being a Christian while planning for the death of millions does NOT make a Christian. Sorry to offend, but it simply doesn't. All this being said, GOD's WILL BE DONE NO MATTER WHO SITS IN THE DANG WHITE HOUSE.

Christianity refers to the concept that I align as a follower of Christ. Not a professor. There will be many professors and fewer followers. Obama has professed that he is a Christian. But the question has now turned to heterodoxy vs. Orthodoxy. Since when is the basic criteria laid out in Scripture open for debate? The basic identifying point is found in Christ Jesus being God's Son, sent here to die for man's sin and man then has to decide if he will accept or reject. Is Barak Obama a sinner? Yes. We all are. Has he placed trust in Jesus Christ as the ONLY way to heaven, or just a good way? I have not heard him answer that question. But, from what I have heard, he seems to be a professor of some sort of "doxy."

Obama can call himself anything he wants...it's America. The question however is, is he?

Those that believe in Jesus is who he said he is, that He is the only way, that the Bible is the word of God now call themselves Biblical Christians, a term that does not seat to well with the mainline churches and with other people who want to blend everyone and everything into one.

FALSANI: Who’s Jesus to you? (Obama laughs nervously)

OBAMA: Right. Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.

An historical figure,a bridge between God and man, a wonderful teacher, is what the Muslims beleive about Jesus. Muslims respect and revere Jesus (peace be upon him). They consider him one of the greatest of God’s. http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-10.htm

For Christians Jesus is God (John 1:1-5)

We invite people to write down special prayer requests that find their way to the altar with the offering.
Sometimes these serve as announcements, or as an opportunity to vent for people with axes to grind. I try and include them all.
Occasionally, I set one aside. That happened a week ago last Sunday when someone asked that the church pray that president-elect Barack Obama receive Christ has his Lord and Savior.
I shared this with our board a few days later, essentiall sharing the view expressed above (so to speak) that if someone confesses Jesus Christ as Lord, they are a Christian. Unless, I hear that there is some conscienciously considered, willful, and serial denlal of a credal statement, or evidence of a non-Christian life, then that person is a Christian by God's grace.
I believe we are saved by faith through grace, not by knowing things about Jesus, but by knowing Jesus.
I would take anyone at their word when they say that they know Jesus, gently reprove them when they are in error, call for scripurally based correction, and expect others to do the same for me. Isn't that what living in the Christian community is about.

I blogged it as well. My name (above) is linked.

Now, wait a minute, here. What's all this dogma about? Measuring a person's Christianity by his dogma just isn't what Christ taught. In fact, Christ didn't come to this earth to establish a Church. He came to clean up the Jews behavior, but they wouldn't listen, so he taught and asked his followers to teach. Over the centuries that teaching has been hacked to pieces by just about everyone. To be a Christian you must believe in Christ and follow his example, as much as possible. That's all there is to it, but even by that simple measure Obama is NOT a Christian. Belonging to any one Church doesn't save anyone.

The unasked question is, 'what is it that makes one a Christian?' Is it correct belief in heaven and hell, is it an orthodox understanding of the trinity, is it a sense of moral superiority that one's faith is superior to that of others, is it about the work you do, is it about the love you show?

The final blogger probably had it right. Romans 10:9, confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, believe that God raised him from the dead. Simple really.

Would Obama have been deemed heretical in his beliefs 17 centuries ago? Yes (but so would most Christians of today). But Is Obama a Christian? According to the standard of Scripture (and without the ability to scan his brain for his actual beliefs), the answer would also have to be affirmative.

Be Blessed,

You guys are missing where Obama's thinking is coming from. Read the Koran and what Mohammad wrote and said which was that Jesus was a prophet, a teacher, not the Son of God. Muslims don't understand the Trinity simply because they don't believe Jesus is the Son of God, he was just another prophet & teacher. I wonder if Obama believes Jesus died for our sins and was resurrected, as Muslims believe what Mohammad says, that Jesus went to Asia or somewhere and raised a family, he was not killed on the cross and resurrected, etc. Being true to himself and his church being enough for getting into heaven is a Muslim tenet. Works is what we call it. The Muslim religion doesn't teach belief in Jesus and God and grace gets you into heaven and thus Obama doesn't mention it. My suspicions are that Obama attended a Christian?? church because those around him did and later in life for his political career and possibly due to his wife's persuasion. Obviously he sure wasn't taking in what was being said about Jesus, grace and God, but he sure has taken in what he heard in Indonesia as a child. His life seems to have been on a timetable as he moved in and out of whatever when he got what he needed as if building up a resume. Well, it doesn't matter, time will tell just like time will tell if Christianity is on a timetable too. Muslim countries seem too eager to kill and destroy Christianity more than ever as if they feel now the fire is hot enough to strike the enemy. It doesn't matter to me, I don't have that long a future but my nieces and nephews still have a future and as such I would like to see them live as free Christians so I pray to my God and his Son that Obama is okay. I do know in my town more and more Muslims are moving in from somewhere and taking over the businesses, housing, schools, and opening up mosques, etc. Where they are getting their money from and how they are getting into this country for obviously no political reasons back home, I would like our politicians to answer. And their girls are so stupid even though being educated in our schools due only to our law's requirement, all they think about is being married, it's their job to be married and producing children they say. Their girls at 17 are sent overseas to get married and they bring another Muslim man over here. Yes, I'm getting nervous. Sorry about that.

One God, One Word, One Sin, One Curse, One Gospel, One Savior, One Redemption, One Judgement, One Eternity. God's point-of-view; accept it and your a christian; anything else is a false teaching. It can't be any simpler than this.

In this free country, we can believe when someone says he is a Muslim. Because he says a truth. (I'm not arguing whether Islam is true or not.) Same for a Jehovah's witness, or a Catholic, or even a Baptist.

But if we hear someone saying he is a christian, sadly, we better not believe what he says. Short of the sure way to tell by their fruits, we can filter by this: (1) those advocating for abortion or partial birth abortion (which is more horrendous killing than infanticide or ritual child sacrifice to Molech) and being active for legalizing it - these are, by default, not christians. If they call themselves christians, that means they are false christians following their false prophets. Like those, including Supreme Court judges, who confess they don't know (and don't want to know) when life actually begins. (2) By the people they are associating with. Second to the Commitment to God, O'Hama's church has the commitment to Afro-centrism in their faith declaration on their web site.

Learning his person and dubious character from who he was and has been, sorry, he ain't christian. If he is, then I have to be called by a different name.

I don't have a problem with calling Obama a Christian because I don't use the word "Christian" to refer to those who are saved, the members of the heavenly city, but to those who are members of a certain earthly community, the visible church.

With that said, however, I'm not sure that Obama understands the gospel, even in a minimal fashion. In other statements as well Obama has shown a fairly weak understanding of the Bible and I haven't used this to flog him because most Christians have weak understandings of the Bible. But a Christian ought at least to know that salvation depends on the saving work of Christ. Someone could have distorted ideas of many things but understand the gospel well enough to respond to it in faith. But it just isn't clear from this that Obama understands the gospel even to the minimal degree needed for saving faith.

We do need to be praying I think both for Obama to guide the country with wisdom and courage and for the Lord to put a better spiritual mentor in his life, one who can present him with the gospel in a clear an unadulterated form.

It’s clear that Barack Obama does not believe in Jesus as his Lord and Savior. Otherwise, he would have said so initially, not answered the question as though he were discussing dry history, and said “in the Christian faith.”

Blogger Andrew Sullivan’s comments aren’t relevant because he openly espouses a lifestyle contrary to the Word of God.

Blogger Tony Jones seems to have misunderstood that Barack Obama has said there is a wide road to God.

Obama doesn’t believe Jesus’ words in John 14:6: “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by Me.” Rev. D. James Kennedy preached on John 14:1-7 in late 2007. This elegant low-key minister warned his congregation, “And let me add this. If you go out of here saying you don’t like that text (John 14:6), that is your privilege. But do not call yourself a Christian. You are calling Christ a liar.”

Dr. Kennedy was showing that Jesus was drawing a line to put an end to dissembling so popular with people like Barack Obama, who has said he’s proud to be a “mirror” reflecting what people want to believe. Obama is considerably unknowledgeable about the Bible given he has said he’s been a Christian for 20 years. Further, what committed Christian would use the word “g—d----“ in their conversation or writing? Barack Obama used it over a half dozen times in his book “Dreams From My Father,” written in 1995, eight years after he says he became a Christian.

Mr. Jones wrote the Obama has claimed Jesus as Lord many times, but Obama's own reply to the question "Who is Jesus to you?" doesn't really back up that claim. He speaks of Jesus "as a means of reaching something higher" which is troublesome in the fact that this a) equalizes Jesus and all the other "means" out there in the world ("a means" not "the means") and b) (most importantly) reduces Jesus to being simply a means to an end rather than the glorious end in itself. I am not in a position to judge another person's heart, but certainly that doesn't seem to align with a Biblical understanding as Jesus as Lord.

Okay, it says "that means," instead of "a means." So I am sorry for misquoting him!

I find it beneath the dignity of your magazine to use comments from 2004 without reference to later statements made by the president-elect. gene

Interesting views! As a way away outsider living in South Africa I wld rather have a world leader telling the TRUTH than posturing so as to let us think something that isnt true! Thank you Senator O for being honest. Lets all pray for him acc to our convictions and let God work with him. I recall a rhyme from college studies; "They drew a circle that shut me out, heretic, rebel, a thing to flout, but LOVE and I had the wit to win, we drew a circle that shut him in!" Have ANY of you the right to shut him out?

It is not for anyone to judge a person as to their status as a saved individual; but it is not wrong for us to proclaim scripture. We can judge what is sin but we cannot determine whether a sinner is saved or not.

We can have an opinion, however, about Obama or any one else as to whether their words indicate if they understand or not what scripture proclaims. It is clear Obama has little understanding of what scripture says about how one becomes a Christian. But then I find few people proclaiming to be a Christian that can give an explanation either. Most denominations, like Andrew Sullivan, want to define scripture for themselves. Of course, scripture warns us against that but few pay attention.

Salvation is simple and it takes little understanding to accept it. And one can be wrong about a lot of scripture and still be a saved individual if they have the basics right. But Obama, in my opinion, does not show even the basic understanding. But.....he will find out someday.

Much speculation here on a simple point. If Obama is baptized (I say, IF he is baptized), then he is Christian. Period. Everything else is an adjectival or adverbial modifier of what KIND of Christian he might be. (Which is fine, but it's quite distinct from whether one IS a Christian.) To argue Christian identity on anything else (actual beliefs, conduct, etc.) is to risk doing serious harm to the doctrines surrounding baptism.

Why is this even a question? Is Obama a Christian? Let's see...He, not only is FOR ABORTION ON DEMAND, for ANY reason, but he's for PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION, and if that's not enough, he wants the kid DEAD even if it manages to SURVIVE being ABORTED. THIS is a Christian? I've got news for EVERYBODY. PRO-CHOICE is ANTI-CHRISTIAN. Gee, what WOULD Jesus do? Do you think that he was PRO-LIFE? Or PRO-ABORTION. Read your Bible. You want to MURDER the most INNOCENT of Gods' CHILDREN? Go someplace else. I hear Allah's looking for new members.

Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

It is for God to judge the state of a man's soul. Yet, I find any man supporting abortion to be acting in an unChristlike manner. Ditto support for gay marriage. Ditto being involved with Bill Ayers and the corrupt Chicago political machine. Ditto the virulent racism of his long time church. Ditto the lies.


When I read this interview he gave back in 2004, I have to reconcile his faith with his background. He was raised as an agnostic. His mother never chose a religion, but felt all religions have at their core common beliefs. She exposed him to all faiths--Christian, Muslim, Buddist, etc. His sister is an Buddist. He never thought much about religion until he worked as a community organizer with people of Christian faith and the witness of these people, whom he came to help, drew him to Christ. Is his a conventional American faith, one whereby he was raised in the church? No. But I cannot judge a man by anything other than his words and actions. The fact that he chose Christianity as an adult speaks volumes to me. If he says he is a Christian and his actions follow (and I see a man who has dedicated his life to helping people, a man with one wife, and a good father) then I will take him at his word. And he also made it clear in his interview that he is ok with doubt. Not to put words in his mouth, but I liken that with uncertainty, or humility. Not that he doubts God, but he does question and doubt his evolving beliefs in God. He is an intellectual and can't help but filter everything through his amazing mind. But he has chosen the Christian path to God, which means he is on the right path and I trust God for the rest.

But now that I've got Obama all boxed in so I can feel comfortable with him, I am reminded of Martin Luther's quote: I'd rather have a competent Turk (Muslim) govern than an incompetent Christian. If there is one thing Obama is, it is competent. Finally!

If we're going to examine words under a microscope and draw conclusions from this activity, we must be sure to acknowledge the margin of error in these conclusions.

Full disclosure: didn't vote for Obama (not even close)

First, if any of us were interviewed in 2004, is there a chance we might have changed our minds by today? Now, imagine that you're conversing with someone you believe to be a Christian. Do you really know that you know he is? How?

I fully understand how the president-elect's beliefs could affect us, but are we being wise to draw a conclusion from so little information, on a topic so laden with possible misunderstand?

And I think it would be foolish to assume his role as a politician did not somehow influence his answer.

Regarding the Obama question as to whether or not his own words identify him as a Christian, look at it this way. If you are a follower of the Lord Jesus and you are asked who he is, wouldn't you give him the recognition he truly deserves? Aren't believers called to "confess" him? We aren't called to talk around him. Put another way, "Tell me, do you love your wife?" How you answer that question will speak volumes about your marriage relationship. If you belong to Christ through faith, make it a clear testimony of assurance. Not a politically vague sound bite.

When asked what is sin, I found this answer to be revealing, "Being out of alignment with my values." I have to say that my answer would have been. Being out of alignment with God's/or Biblical values. Also his answer to who is Jesus;
"Right. Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history."
Not one word on Jesus being God in the flesh, nothing about eternal salvation. I would take away from his answer that he believes Jesus is nothing more than as just another 'prophet' figure.

Answering the question posed by the title -the answer is an easy yes. If Satan can pose sriptural challenges to Jesus, then any man, regardless of moral or immoral beliefs, can "CALL" himself a Christian.
Being a Christian is a different story with different criteria and it is here where Obama fails badly to meet the minimal criteria.
Obama, almost singlehandledly supports and advocates for the destruction of fully born precious human babie, should they survive the abortionist's cruel methods of terminating innocent life. He supports putting them in isolation without minimal nutrition which causes great suffering and death. He doesn't allow for the comfort of a nurse while the baby -now independent of its "mother's" body dies slowlys.
This is the stuff of pre-war Germany where the infirmed, imperfect adults who also failed the state's test of being fully human were put to death cruelly (first by inoculation then by inadequate diet)
Such behavior is evil -anyone who denies this is irrational- anyone who supports this is evil himself. Since God clearly says we are either with Him or against Him, Obama falls in the latter catagory and therefore can't be considered in any manner Christian -unless he undergoes full conversion.
He also has several questionable other areas of anti-Christian belief -ENVY/coveting -taking away the property of the successful to distrubute to others. Charity requires the individual give the alms not the state under gunpoint.
Gay rights -
Questionas still about th requirement for Christians to defend all against those who would do them bodily harm.
Questions about supporting lawbreaking illegals -can a Christian take an oath to God to follow the law of the country and while knowing you have no intent of enforcing it? (as did Bush)

He'd have to be far more ignorant and intolerant to be a Christian resembling many so called Christians today. He more closely resembles the rare Christian that models themselves in the way Jesus is normally portrayed

The interview and comments posted remind me again that for many evangelicals, their views of world and society are colored more by their political ideas (Republican) than by spiritual principles (Christian). Just check your inbox to see how many of your Christian friends are circulating urban legends and hate mail, without checking the facts! The important thing, you believe lies only because they agree with your political ideas. I am curious to see when we will see here theological discussions about Obama being the Anti-Christ.

Now, since it is difficult to prove that Obama is a Muslim, we talked about his "heterodoxy". I don't recall comments like that when CT dedicated its full cover and several pages to Mitt Romney. Not mention at all then that Romney believes there are 3 Gods, that the Father has a wife, that Jesus came to preach in America, that He will return to a Missouri temple, and that the Book of Mormon corrects the Bible's mistakes, you get the picture. But... his religious ideas were to be respected, not religious test for office (at least for Mitt; Barack is a different story!)

Thanks to God, some evangelicals --a few, but in growing numbers-- are seeing the light. Sorry, they do not read the CT blogs.

And to the Republicans masking themselves as evangelicals, next time that you judge somebody because that person thinks different than you, double-check your heart to see who really lives there...

Even the demons believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that doesn't mean they have saving faith. The original Greek word that is translated to "believe" actually means to put your faith in, to entrust. So believing in mere facts that don't require you to submit and have your life changed by God doesn't mean you're a Christian. Almost 80% of Americans call themselves Christians but narrow is the road that leads to Heaven. If I go around killing people but call Jesus Lord, am I saved? Matthew 7 says you will know a tree by its fruit, a good tree will produce good fruit and a bad tree produce bad fruit.

If you don't know who Jesus is, and you believe you need Jesus to get to Heaven, are you saved?

Who is Jesus? A historical figure according to Obama, and the bridge to Heaven according to the Christian faith. But not Obama's bridge to heaven. Obama believes good works or living his life well will get him into Heaven. He doesn't know for sure what will happen after he dies. Obama also doesn't believe that you need Jesus to get into Heaven, in other words, Jesus is not the one true way, the Savior we are all in need of. Obama states he doesn't believe God will send people to hell because they've rejected Jesus. Jesus is not a savior, he is a wonderful teacher.

What is sin? Obama thinks it's not living to his values, but sin it not living up to God's standards. Say a rapist doesn't believe rape is wrong by his values, so he goes on doing so and thinks it'll get him into Heaven. There is an absolute right and wrong! Sin is defined by God, and not the sinners themselves. Relativism is living according to your own right and wrong, and not by God's laws. And that takes you straight to hell!

Nothing Obama said in the interview was heterodox; he didn't explicitly deny Christ's divinity; he
even talks about his personal relationship to
Jesus Christ.

His rather mild universalism (at least 80% saved!) is perfectly consistent with most mainstream Christian
denominations' views. Ask your local Catholic or Methodist friends whether they think Hindu kids go to hell; even your most theologically conservative ones; even the Pope.

While you may not personally agree with the nonliteral views of the Bible that Catholics and many
Christians hold, they are not heterodox. There is nothing in the Nicene creed demanding literalism.


First of all we all fall short of the glory of God. It is His place to judge Obama's heart. Second of all, there is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ His son. We all have to receive our salvation from our acceptance of who he is to this fallen world. Once we become a "Christian" we as such should be striving to be Christ-like. Our actions need to match up with our words.
I believe that Obama has been influenced by the world, as it would be very hard not to be in the Politcal field, but what is important is that he has a relationship with God the Father and Jesus Christ His son. He prays with his family and before he makes important decisions for this country. Those are the things to consider about what his faith in God is like. His character speaks for itself.
May God richly bless him and this United States of America!

Judge not, lest ye be judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

"By their fruits you shall know them!" How can anyone, who knows what a Christian is, say that someone who doesn't believe that a baby that's still alive after a botched abortion should received medical treatment can be called a Christian .. a follower of Christ? If you mistreat a child, Jesus said that a millstone should be hanged around your neck and you be thrown into the sea. I've seen a millstone in Israel and no one who advocates the death of an unborn or just born child, would survive that punishment. I think that tells us just how serious Jesus was about saving children. Any questions? People who believe in Jesus and accept Him as their personal Savior are for the sancity of life, both born and unborn. "Actions speak louder than words" about our new president and new congress. The safest place for a baby should be in their mother's womb. Not any more .. and it will get worse.

Spurgeon wrote "If we were more like Christ, we should be more hated by
his enemies. It were a sad dishonour to a child of God to be the world's
favourite. It is a very ill omen to hear a wicked world clap its hands
and shout 'Well done' to the Christian man."

I'm sorry to say that my observation of Obama is that he does not honor
all of God's Word. He chooses passages that fit a secular agenda but he
has belittled other passages that don't fit a secular world view.

In Paul's second letter to Timothy, he warns "the time will come when
men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own
desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say
what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away
from the truth..." Paul calls these people "impostors."

No one can claim to be a Christian who spent 20 years listening to gussied-up Marxist cant, which is a fair description of black liberation theology. Marxism is the antithesis of Christianity.

President-elect Obama will become the president of the United States on January 20, 2009. As Christians we are mandated to pray for him. God knows His children and I would like to beleive that God is not only soveriegn but wise enough to place one of His children in the most important position on the planet. After all, God is King of the earth.

Oh, for goodness' sake...

There are MILLIONS of fine, upstanding Christian people who, if they are asked about Jesus, would not automatically say "Jesus is Lord" or "Jesus is the great I AM." Those are not a "Christian" statements but are in fact "evangelical Christian" statements. Us mainstreamers just don't talk that way. We are just not used to saying those words. That doesn't mean we don't feel them, but the words don't flow from us automatically as, apparently, at least some evangelical Christians think they ought to.

I mean, if I were asked, "Who is Jesus?" I'd say something about Him being the Son of God...but I might even ramble a bit about how He is a bridge between humanity and God. I don't know, but I might. That bridge metaphor isn't a complete description of Jesus by any means, but heck, it's not a bad start.

Since when -- WHEN -- is being able to reel off some pat answer a sign of true belief? It isn't. It never has been. If it were, everybody who has been confirmed or experienced adult baptism would be a true believer. The only Person who knows for sure what's in Obama's heart or my heart or the heart of anybody reading this is God. Who, by the way, is pretty clear that judging is His right, not ours.

So cut it out!

The only people who should never be asked "is so and so christian" are other christians. Its pretty clear from the majority of hysterical posts on this thread that not only do the majority of professing christians doubt the christianity of Obama, they would doubt the christianity of their own pastors and the very men and women who baptized them if those people deviated in any way from what the poster thinks of as the obvious word of g-d as spoken directly to the poster. Historically speaking there have been lots and lots and lots of people who call themselves christian. The modern american version of protestantism is nothing more than an eternal splintering of the body of christ into smaller and smaller and more perfect units. And to keep this splitting going it is necessary to despise and discipline all those that the believer fears or hates. G-d forbid that all come together to worship g-d equally, or respect each other as children of g-d, or even trust in g-d to figure out who is and who isn't saved or whatever floats your christian boat. Obama's a christian, that's pretty obvious to the non christians. He's chosen to live as one, to marry as one, to raise his children as one. What else is there?

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Sarah - using a interview from 2004???? there have been several recent conversations and interviews and a book written about his faith. using such an old source is unprofessional and reeks of just stiring up the pot.

Obama's statements aren't out of line with standard American, nominally Christian thinking.

But I know from personal experience that virtually NO practicing politicians can be (or are) devout Christians.

It just doesn't go with the territory. "Nice guys" don't make it to the top, no matter what kind of cloak of rightousness they don.

At least Obama was honest and forthright in his answere. We should pray that God blesses him and our country.

I believe you get to heaven by doing good deeds and not smoking, drinking, dancing or cussing. I believe in Jesus, but I don't like Moslems, gays or Hollywood actors. Am I a Christian?

AJS on Nov 19th said a mouth full! Name a true Christian President of this country! You can't. Even President Bush has serious flaws. He's pushing to divide part of Israel's land and at times his mouth has been fowl. These people are NOT elected to be ministers as noted. They are called to govern a SECULAR nation. Even Mike Huckabee would have had to make compromises. Maybe not extreme, but compromises just the same in governing a secular nation. I do believe Obama is a Christian, but like MANY Christians today, there is a distortion of their view of what the bible clearly means. That's why there are so many different TYPES of CHRISTIANS. Many bloggers are saying Obama isn't a Christian. Well, I have question. Are the following people Christians: Ted Haggard, Earl Paulk, Dave Boltz, Clay Aiken, and other homosexual Pastors, musicians, etc? Are these people Christians?!! Now if you say yes, what makes them different than Obama not being one? Are the habitual fornicators, adulterers, liars and thieves Christians? I'm not being a smarty pants! This is a serious question. Are we saved by GRACE through our FAITH or by what we do and say? This is a serious question and YES I read my bible, but I would like feedback to this question. Jesus came to save THE LOST unto repentance. How can we do this if we are so harsh with those that don't see the bible in the same view or are lost in sin! How do you objectively minister to people like this instead of labeling them for what they are or what they are not! Jesus said it's the SICK that needs a doctor, not the well.

All of the early church councils would have condemned Obama's statements as unorthodox heresy. So much for all the uninformed and naive evangelicals who really believed that Obama was one of us. I was at the Saddleback Forum in August and when Rick Warren asked Obama what being a Christian was, it was obvious to me that he was repeating what his evangelical staffer had coached him to say, in order to appease and mislead evangelical voters - which I thought was disgraceful. And now with this article's revelations about the real Obama's lack of a genuine personal faith in Christ, it is now abudantly clear that this was indeed the case.

Seriously, what did anyone expect when Obama's "spiritual advisor" for 20 years (and according to Obama, the man who led him to "Christianity") was the radical, racist hater Jeremiah Wright? It is clear that Obama has never had any connection to evangelical Christianity and this article proves that. And one of the posts above is correct - Obama's answers aren't any different than anyone else who attends a liberal mainline church where the true Gospel is never preached, like Obama's (the United Church of Christ is one of the most liberal denominations), and underscores the inherent difference between evangelical and liberal Christianity.

At least the truth about Obama is out there now. And since it is now clear that Obama is not a true believer, can anyone honestly believe that he will not continue his radical pro-abortion (along with other moral issues) agenda as President? Lord have mercy on us all.

Soli Deo Gloria!

God tells us not to murder (Scripture), plus we know in our hearts that it is wrong (the Natural Law) except when our life or our neighbor's may be threatened by a violent act (self-defense).

Abortion & infanticide (murder of infants & children in the womb) is really an assault on love. God has revealed Himself/Holy Trinity as love. God is Love.

Baptism cleanses our souls of original sin, but then any sin we partake in after that needs the expiation of Christ..His saving death to pay the debt due to sin owed to the God of justice & holiness. We must ask Him for forgiveness...to show Him that we know we have sinned and need his sanctifying grace.

Being a Christian is knowing that Jesus is alive & trying to please Him, on His terms, in an intimate relationship through our thoughts, words & deeds. We communicate through prayer, ingesting Scripture & acting upon it by loving our neighbor with Godly charity. This is a process (no shortcuts), but the goal is to deny the ego/self and allow Christ to sit on the Throne of your life. It is really not your life for He bought it at a great price--His suffering & death.

If you cooperate/choose with evil you become a slave to sin and if you cooperate/choose good you become a slave of righteousness. You must discern what God reveals as sin. You can be a lukewarm Christian, but God says He will spew you out of His mouth; rather "be holy as I am holy." He established His Church on earth (Catholic) where through the 7 Sacraments He instituted we may recieve nourishment (Eat His Body & drink His Blood = life within you) and recieve other graces for your walk with Him (confession, marriage, anointing of sick, etc.) on earth enduring into eternity.

Obama is baptised & has an immature/undeveloped relationship with God, but now he must not be conformed to this world, but be conformed to Christ by the renewal of his mind.(Romans 12:1-2) Perhaps the Presidency is the path (in addition to his marriage & fatherhood) upon which he will work out his salvation unto resurrection and reward with Christ or unto condemnation apart from God. His choices will be key; as well as our prayers for him.

Obama is a man of this Age who has bought into relativism ("many paths to God; no doctrine or certainty, but doubt"); mainstream & not change.
"Tolerance is not a Christian virtue."--Archbishop Cahrles Chaput--Denver

When Tolerance Trumps Truth

Christ: “You will know the truth and the truth will set you free”

In today’s post-modern world, the notion that truth leads to freedom is regarded as narrowly Catholic and intolerant of other religious views. The new blueprint in the post-modern world is that tolerance, not truth, leads to freedom.

When Pope Benedict XVI was known to the world as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he produced a book, Truth and Tolerance that confronts this very issue (crisis & crossroads) of the place of truth in the post-modern world. He recognizes that so much importance is now attached to tolerance, that it has been separated from truth, which, in turn, has been relegated to the sphere of mere opinion.

To state the matter quite simply: Tolerance has been absolutized, while truth has been relativized.

Nonetheless, such a separation of tolerance from truth (or politics from philosophy) is preposterous, in the original meaning of the term. The absurd or “preposterous” practice of placing “before” that which should come “after,” like putting the cart before the horse.

Placing man first and God second is preposterous in the same way.

The preposterous maneuver, however, has a more sinister implication — it first eclipses what should be primary and then banishes it in the direction of oblivion. Thus, placing man first and God second soon leads to atheism; placing politics first and philosophy second leads to agnosticism, or the elimination of philosophy.

The reason, according to Ratzinger, for the exaggerated importance given to tolerance and its promotion over truth, rests on the fact that we now live in a pluralistic world consisting of a wide diversity of values, customs and religious beliefs.

How, then, is it possible for people to live in harmony with each other and be tolerant toward each other’s differences?

If truth is invoked, it would presumably have the insidious effect of making one group appear superior to another and consequently intolerant. The answer to this problem has been the adoption of relativism and its concomitant removal of a philosophy that is anchored in truth.

Cardinal Ratzinger fully understands the dire consequences resulting from excising truth from politics and making relativism sovereign.

“Relativism,” he writes, “in certain aspects has become the real religion of modern man.” It represents, he goes on to say, “the most profound difficulty of our day.”

The experiment in trying to be tolerant in the absence of any regulatory truth has proven to be a failure. It has inevitably led to a decisive intolerance of the Catholic Church, for example, and not because she opposes tolerance, but because she refuses to accord it a higher status than truth.

In other words, the Church insists that all things be placed in their proper order. This is enough for the world to indict her for being “intolerant.”

Cardinal Ratzinger asks the pertinent question, “What meaning does belief then have, what positive meaning does religion have, if it cannot be connected with truth?”

A pagan philosopher answered this very question better than two millennia ago. Marcus Tullius Cicero, in the year 44 B.C., reasoned that religion without truth is merely superstition.

Simply stated, Cicero enjoined his fellow countrymen to use truth as a way of distinguishing religion from what he deemed not worth tolerating, namely superstition.

The 20th-century American philosopher Mortimer Adler reiterates Cicero’s position in his book, Truth in Religion: The Plurality of Religions and the Unity of Truth.

His basic point is that we cannot enjoy liberty, equality, and justice (ideas that virtually everyone endorses enthusiastically) unless we know something about truth, goodness and beauty.

For example, there can be no justice without truth. In the absence of truth, no verdict (verum + dicere — to tell the truth) can be delivered that separates the guilty from the innocent or justice from injustice.

It is a profoundly sad irony in the modern world that people are willing to ignore the very means that is indispensable for producing what they most ardently desire. They shun truth and expect justice to flower in a barren desert.

A relativist cannot afford to get too close to reality.

Relativism is a default philosophy that emerges as a result of an unwillingness to put truth and tolerance in their proper order. But it is unworkable on a practical level and creates immense, though unnecessary, stumbling blocks in the path of education, democracy, and the implementation of the natural law. In fact, it contributes, significantly, to the culture of death.

classic liebral belief, some hold to the idea that this can be defined as 'christian' in the liberal sense. Orthodox Christianity would have none of it.

I just want to know why anyone even CARES what religion Obama is. I have yet to see the same preoccupation with McCain, the same tedious combing through McCain's views on Christianity. You people let McCain say the magic word "pro-life" and you believe he's a follower. Please. Obama will be an excellent ruler for our country. Stop being so scared of progress.

It is unfortunate that some are judging and analyzing statements made by President-elect, Barack Obama, trying to decide whether or not he is a Christian. It is God's business to make those decisions, as no one knows another's heart. We do know that Barack Obama has said he believes Jesus Christ died for his sins and that he believes he is redeemed by Christ. When the disciples came to Jesus and told him about a man driving out demons who for some reason didn't choose to identify with them, Jesus told them to leave him alone and said, "Whoever is not against us is for us." (Mark 9:40) The Apostle Paul wrote, "If you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9) Many Evangelicals seem to be falling right back into the same judgmental mode as the fundamentalists. Let's pray for Obama and be thankful he isn't ashamed to be identified as a Christian, or to say that the Bible is the book that has influenced his life the most.

I think this discussion about whether Obama is a Christian or not is silly. This is from Newsweek: "At the point of his decision to accept Christ, Obama says, "what was intellectual and what was emotional joined, and the belief in the redemptive power of Jesus Christ, that he died for our sins, that through him we could achieve eternal life—but also that, through good works we could find order and meaning here on Earth and transcend our limits and our flaws and our foibles—I found that powerful." He says he prays every day, typically for "forgiveness for my sins and flaws, which are many, the protection of my family, and that I'm carrying out God's will, not in a grandiose way, but simply that there is an alignment between my actions and what he would want." He sometimes reads his Bible in the evenings, a ritual that "takes me out of the immediacy of my day and gives me a point of reflection."

Anyway, who are we to judge what is in the heart of any man? Remember the Pharisees?

I am just amazed that this article was written in the first place, for the intent of the article goes against one of the first and foremost commandments that Jeschua (Jesus) spoke more than once: "Judge not, let ye be judged".

I am disgusted that the author of this article decided to devote this much energy to try to make sure that people would doubt Obama's faith. This plays right into the right-wing nutbag attempt to brand Obama as a muslim, which he certainly is not.

And just to make sure that the author of this article understands my rebuke LOUD AND CLEAR, it should comfort her to know that the technique of phrasing an accusation as a question was the favored technique of the NAZIs between 1933-1945, of the communists between 1917-1990, of the white supremacists in the USA since the turn of the century and the absolute favorite of right-wing racist, hateful nuts all through Europe right now.

So, the author may think she is being coy by using this technique, but in reality, she has put herself in the company of Hitler, Stalin and David Duke. She should be proud of herself.

I honestly had hoped that Christianity would not take this turn. Kind of like the semi-final nails in the coffin.

If you have an accusation to make, then have enough guts to speak directly. Jesus would at least respect that.

Thank you.

I think Ann (Nov. 23rd) has it right.

It's not our job to judge but to encourage. Obama's brief answers to a few of Barna's briefer questions don't give any of us enough to sift for gold or dross. Some of his statements on pretty basic things are a cause for concern, but his answers to Rick Warren's questions were very thoughtful and thought provoking as well. Aren't there other places where he has disclosed his beliefs?
My sense is that he is continuously assessing his faith as he matures.

Aren't there times when it is hard to balance God's love and mercy with His righteousness and holiness? Don't we all know sincere and devout believers who are not able to get all the answers right in a pop quiz? Their conclusions (often tentative) don't detract from their hunger for the Lord, their faithfulness in prayer, their joy in worship, their meditative study of scripture, their love towards others, or their wish to live their Christian lives without hypocrisy.

I know people like that. Some are universalists in their eschatology, but their desire to worship the Lord in the way they live in the present and their desire to encourage others also to draw closer to the Lord might serve as examples to my more intellectually orthodox (and often judgmental) friends who are preoccupied with getting it just right.

It's important to try to understand Christian doctrine as correctly as I can and for me to affirm Jesus Christ as the only source of reconciliation of God and humanity, but I am not so arrogant as to think I will understand all of the mysteries of heaven until I get there. Like other Christians, I see through a glass darkly. Therefore, I have no right to judge. In Obama, I see a fellow believer who sincerely seeks to place himself within the context God's intentions.

It's not just my duty to pray for President-elect Obama. It's my privilege.

By the way, I did not vote for him. Should that make any difference?

Ann, I don't dare to judge the heart of man or his motives, but I can judge his present & past actions as not in agreement with those of God; as revealed in the Scriptures.

Before I had my Christian conversion experience, I had an abortion, but I still thought I was a decent person (I had been baptised as a baby). For 15 years I felt that I had done the right thing concerning that unwanted pregnanacy; I hadn't felt that I would be a good mother & I also thought that the baby was "flawed" being conceived in fornacation...and then I became a Catholic Christian and the Holy Spirit convicted me of my grave sin of murdering the gift of God's child in my womb. I had lost God's grace & I was not only afraid for my own salvation but for that of the soul of my child. Fifteen years I had been blinded by my sin, but then suddenly I saw the Light.

I used to think that I had a right to choice and I did, but the time for that choice was before the sexual act itself & not in the outcome. I used to think legalized abortion was a safer option for women. But then I found out what God thinks. Scripture says many places that murder of an innocent is an abomination to Him.
I had to conform my mindset to God's because I want to please Him as His adopted child.

It seems to me that Obama, although baptised, is blinded to the sin that murder is a viable and OK choice. I make this evaluation based on his consistent IL Senate record and upon the campaign promises he has made to Planned Parenthood & NARAL and to our Nation; his first act as President to sign the FOCA--Freedom of Choice Act--that will allow & protect full-range abortion options during all 9 months of pregnancy & use taxpayer dollars to do it. Persons in his administration are also advocates of choice/abortion murder. Mandated abortion as a civil right under penalty of law.

Murder of innocents is a gravely immoral act & complicance with it in any capacity damages a Christian's relationship with God. Obama needs to repent to God of this sin and then stop supporting abortion services & do good to make amends. Then he will be a Christian with grace & relationship to God restored. Because he is a public official & leader who can affect the lives of many by his acitons he will be judged more severely by God than the average person. He needs our prayers.

There are going to be a lot of surprises on the other side. I have a feeling that a bunch of those judged as non-Christians will be there in heaven worshipping God... and a bunch of people will be surprised to find themselves somewhere with a considerably warmer climate.

It'll be interesting, that's for sure.

It's not Judging when Obama makes these statments He's clearily NOT Christian Living a good life thats good But True Christians know That they are Saved By Grace through Faith its a Gift from God Eph:2:8-9 No One Earns Salvation by doing good Work Jesus is the Only Way And He is Our Bridge!!

This is simple, everyone's making it complicated. Obama has been an adult a long time, attended Wright's church for two decades has read Niebuhr. He's not a young girl who makes a dumb mistake and gets an abortion. He's a knowledgeable and responsible man who claims to be a Christian and then votes to keep baby-killing legal. It's that simple.

It seems silly to me that there is so much concern about whether or not Obama is a Christian when throughout our nation'a history, we have had several non-Christians elected to the presidency. Besides

John Adams and Howard Taft were Unitarians, albeit at a time when the values of the Unitarian religion resembled orthodox Christianity much moreso than they do now.

But more importantly, we have had numerous presidents who were Freemasons, and a study of Freemasonry reveals it to be quite un-Christian, not to mention Universalist. The Catholic Church, the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod and one of the branches of the Presbyterian Church have issued statements against it.

Our country was founded more on Masonic principles than Christian principles. I'm thankful that as an American, I can worship God as revealed in the Bible, but many fellow Christians forget this country was founded on the right to have any (or no religious) views one chooses.

I am constantly amazed that supposedly Christian believers quote, "judge not less you be judged" and discount 85% of the teaching of the New Testament on true Christianity, how to identify it, and how to deal with apostasy. Are we so weak kneed that we can not or will not discern truth?

Proverbs 26:12 "There is more hope for fools than for people who think they are wise." If the shoe fits his foot he must wear it.

When Paul writes that we are to call Jesus "Lord" in order to be saved, he's talking about the Greek "Kurios" which is how the Hebrews referred to God in the Old Testament. William Lane Craig does a podcast on the Trinity, and in it he explains how using "Lord" to talk about Christ was really a rhetorical device used to explain that Jesus was God incarnate. This understanding, at least, can offer no middle ground in saying that what we mean by Lord is anything but God. If what we are saying by Lord Jesus, is that Jesus is #1, or that he is only some sort of mediator between God and man, then we are not calling Christ "Lord" in the New Testament sense.

By the way - we should never forget the example of Judas. He was a disciple. He called Christ "Lord." It was also he that was possessed by Satan to carry out the ground work of the crucifixion plot.

Supporting Israel for half a century has not brought peace. America must embrace Palestinian statehood as the alternative. If you give it Democracy then you should back its results.

I am not sure why Obama cannot simply say whether or not he is saved. It is not a complicated question. However, some people ask the question "Is Obama a christian?" Being a christian is not really the question we want to know because some christians may acknowlege the fact they are a christian but they are not saved. The fact of the matter is being saved is what makes a person a christian. Anyone can say yes I am Christian because i do good works bla bla bla. But what we want to know from Obama is he really saved. I pray to god he is maybe he just does not want to answer the question straight out. As a follower he should be proud of his salvation and want the united states of america to know this about him. We all need to keep the president and his family in our prayers if the president to be is not saved. Only Mr.Obama and our savior Jesus Christ will know this informaton. It is never to late for any of us to drop to our knees and ask the lord jesaus christ to come in our heart and save us.

I'm not going to judge Obama's politics for 4 years. But DAMN well if I judge him for claiming to be a Christian. Jesus wouldn't support abortion. Nor would he support being in a church for 20 years that uses his name in vein against the United States or any country for that matter.

The real question is, what would Jesus do? Would he say Obama was not or that it didn't matter?

The Bible says that our words have power, and he does not profess a love of Jesus Christ, nor is his response biblical. Jesus is the Messaih, the soon comming King. We must declare the gosple with our tongues, declare Jesus, we cannot be slight, we must be that light leading people to say Jesus is Lord.

There was talk that obama is muslim and from Kenya part of his roots. One thing I know is that isalm will go to any extreme to infiltrate a country to be able to take control over it. The largest islamic house is in the USA, why not is a muslim country? is it because the us is now so islamized? There is the theory which is valkid too, that he could be birth here on purpose with the intention of an infiltration of the USA. We will never know, one thing is that we need to pray. The new world order has been written on our $1 bill for years and we are in the very, very last days and things are moving so fast tot eh final days it isn't funny.
henry Kissinger said Obama is being primed for the new world order, and he is right, and the world really needs a new world order for such a time as this, which is a cou-incidence, the chip 666 is already made and is here being implanted worldwide, bible prophecy alive. My MS is in the management of Information systems with a specialty in information security, the transpoertation and protection of such information and data, and much more, so i know what I am saying to you, technology is obvious.
When he won the election and they interviewed the other nations, they all said at least now there will be peace just like the bible said, that does not mean he is going to be the antichrist, but you never know. We also just need to be watchful and pray, pray, pray for him as only God can bring him into full profession of the gosple. Let us not criticize and pray, pray, pray, and prepare for the rapture and make sure we live rapture ready lives before God Almighty!
Let us pray for him.

He's an American. He's a Christian; and hes the stereotypical Christiam American...something Im understanding more and more to be the furthest thing from what a true Christian is. - this includes me too. I, We have a lot of searching and repenting and dying to self to do as Americans who profess Christ. Deceived city baby.

We must return to our foundation of a constitutional, limited government. We must return to the Judeo-Christian roots of our heritage. We must reign in an out-of-control government by the cords of the Constitution and demand its obedience. Our government is like a teenager left too long to his own devices, however, and the process will be neither easy nor pain-free. But when the alternative is considered, it ends with the destruction of our very way of life.

Ronald Reagan said that we are always just one generation away from tyranny. Thomas Jefferson said the tree of liberty must be watered by the blood of patriots from time to time. While states’ rights are to key to restoring our Republic, one other thing is also vital.

A 2 Chronicles 7:14 revival.

We cannot be free men in a free country without the blessing of Almighty God. We cannot be free men and women without a return to the faith of our fathers. John Adams said in October of 1798 that:

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

Perhaps before our next elections, we should drop to our knees in Psalm 51:10 prayers, and implore God to create in us a new heart, to renew a right spirit within us. Without the hand of God that has steered this country over the past 234 years (and which seems horrifyingly missing of late), we are doomed to be relegated to the dust piles of history, our country, her people and her name but brief bywords on the lips of future travelers to this land

Thank you, and God Bless our Republic of the United States of America.

Eric Pearson
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