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November 13, 2008

The States that Ban Gay Marriage

Protests over Proposition 8 continue, and gay-marriage advocates are attempting to collect signatures for a ballot initiative to reverse the ban in California, the Associated Press reports.

The AP reports that Connecticut issued 58 marriage licenses to same-sex couples yesterday, the first day that gays and lesbians could get married in the state.

Twenty-six states have amended their constitutions to ban gay marriage, and the always-excellent Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life has released a helpful graphic that which states banned gay marriage when, starting with Alaska in 1998.

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West Virginia, where I live, is one of the states with a law banning Gay couples from marrying and prohibiting recognition of Gay couples who have married in other states. THAT apparently is not enough, because now the West Virginia Convention of Southern Baptists has passed a resolution calling for an amendment to the state constitution defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

I guess that for law-abiding, taxpaying Gay couples, "equal protection under the law" will forever remain a pipedream. We will be forced to pay into the system of financial and legal supports for marriage without ever being able to take part in those incentives.

Why is it that it's perfectly acceptable, even admirable, for Straight (i.e. heterosexual) couples to date, get engaged, get married, and build lives together in the context of monogamy and commitment, and that this is a GOOD thing ... but for Gay couples to do exactly the same is somehow a BAD thing? To me this seems like a very poor value judgment.

What the Constitutional Amendment movements are really doing is deliberately eroding Gay people's rights to petition their governments for redress of their grievances, a First Amendment right. First with marriage, then...? Talk about a slippery slope.

However, with state constitutions, there is always the possibility of a Supreme Court override...which I suspect anti-Gay activists sort of want, as that would give them added impetus towards a Federal Constitutional amendment, dramatically reversing two hundred years of ever increasing equality under the law. Some of Gay people's grievances would officially be not equal under the law...their petitions forbidden to be accepted, forbidden to be heard, forbidden to be redressed.

Given what happened after the Supreme Courts Plessy "separate but equal" ruling, imagine what can happen with "officially separate and officially not equal?"

But then, conservative Christians have usually opposed equality anyway...opposing abolition, opposing Black male enfranchisement, opposing woman's suffrage, opposing equal public access, opposing protection of voting rights laws...and now this.

Can their patriotism can be legitimately questioned?

30 years ago the same people who told us that they didn't need "a piece of paper" to coerce them into staying together are now telling us that it is a necessity for gay couples. Frankly, they have little credibility regarding marriage. People who think marriage should not be redefined do not necessarily hate anyone and are tired of being told they do. In all states there are other legal options for gay or heterosexual couples. Most people believe marriage should not be redefined. Let's move on.

Chuck,

I used to think that way, too. That there is much unfairness and even bigotry against homosexuality.

You ask, why is there a difference in the way that heterosexual and homosexual relationships are treated? I only saw the distinction after I took the Bible as the word of God --- that He created two genders and it is in the union of these two that new life is possible.

But the Bible also teaches *unconditional* love and respect...that even when people disagree, the inherent worth of the person is upheld. :)

I don't live in the US, but I know that in issues like Proposition 8, people can get hostile, and Christians can get *un*-Christian. We apologize for that. But I do hope that each side understands the other...in particular, for the proponents of homosexual marriage to see that those against (at least, the Christian ones) are just upholding what we hold absolute...and that these absolutes can be readily seen and understood from the Bible. I have seen just that, and that alongside an uncompromising stand must be unconditional love.

The US was formed and based on the Bible. The world was created with one man and one women. If this is not true then we would not have the population we have today.
The Bible (God's Word) is against same sex marriages, why. We are to increase the world with children. Same sex marriages can not do that. Man and woman are created to populate the earth. Yes, man has gone against God's Word and that's why we are in the mess we are in today and have been for years. When same sex marriages are legal, we will see the United States crumble. I believe with Obama as president we will see same sex marriage legal and the US will be a snow ball rolling down a slope into destruction. The destruction will come with a no birth country and world and we will be destroying ourselves.

Chuck Anziulewicz, have you ever heard of the Bible? since this is a Christian website, it is strange than you would call the West Virginia Convention of Southern Baptists desire to uphold "marriage as between a man and a woman" a "very poor value judgment". even if one does not invoke the Biblical argument as informing his or her view on marriage, the equal protection under the law does not apply since both heterosexuals and homosexuals have the same rights and restrictions under the law: their all can marry (the right), none can marry someone of the same sex (the restriction). the is not the only restriction on marriage, others involve age, marital status (no polygamy) and so on.

the key is that you cannot fault a Christian for wanting to uphold the traditional definition of marriage. if you want to persuade Christians to support Gay marriage, you will have to make a biblical argument for it (good luck with that)

"Very poor value judgement" is a ridiculous statement concerning homosexual marriage. Define "values".
Why do the homosexuals force people to accept their lifestyle??? Marriage has always been between a man and a woman. Now, homosexuals want to change the covenant of marriage to fit their immoral lifestyle? Why would anyone want to mess with an institution that has as old a heritage as marriage?
I know a few homosexuals and I love them very much. However, it is extremely unnatural to me. And to say that homosexuality is moral, right, and natural is calling God a liar.

Keep homosexual civil unions. However, marriage should always be between a man and a woman. The homosexuals should understand and ACCEPT marriage has always been between a man and a woman. And if they want or need to live a homosexual life, then they should accept the consequences, and not marrying is one of them.

America is a Christian nation.The adversary would like to change that but To God Be The Glory great things he has done. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob took a rib from Adam's side and made "a woman" not another man. Amen. All mankind are fearfully and wonderfully made by God. These men and women who call themselves gays are allowing the adversary to play with their minds and lie to them telling them that they were born this way. Wake up men and women and know that God loves us all. Jesus says, Whosoever will may come. Some may make the decision to love and follow him and some may choose not to. One thing we can be sure of is that one day we will all die. When the breath leaves our bodies where will it go? Would our Spirit be received in Heaven or Hell? We have to make that decision here on this earth before we die. The hereafter is eternal.

I find your language interesting by describing these amendments as "Banning Gay Marriage" rather than what they really did--"affirming" marriage between and a man and a woman. Homosexuals believe these amendments "banned" gay marriage. The California amendment affirmed the former amendment that was passed by millions affirming marriage between a man and a woman. It was overturned by four judges who felt it "banned gay marriage." I wonder why politics, rhetoric and warring factions refuse to consider civil unions.

I don't understand. Why would you have people vote (which is to me the FINAL word) and then have others sue to have the FINAL vote overturned! Makes no sense. This nation is becoming so perversed! Not just with homosexuality, but other immoral acts such as human trafficking! We can't exclude other sins that also grieves God's heart! Every time I turn around now, someone is saying they are GAY!! I know I sound terrible, but WHAT IS HAPPENING to God's children? I understand (a little) in wanting your rights not violated, but if the constitution of marriage is redefined, I truly believe the wrath of God will be THUNDEROUS upon this nation since he has made it CLEAR that a man should NOT lay with another man nor another woman with another woman as if husband and wife!! I don't mean to sound mean, I promise. I just don't understand what is going on with those who say they know God!! Not the unsaved, but the saved!!

I know you are happy to see your own viewpoints regurgitated on sites like these, but I thought it might be worthwhile sharing some perspective with you.
1. The United States was founded upon freedom of religion. Although there are clearly many Christians (and types of Christians) in the U.S., by law, there can be no official state religion. Thus, one cannot correctly say that the United States is a Christian nation.
2. Saying that marriage has always been between one man and one woman is like saying that fossils have always been fossilized. I know that in recent history, marriages in Western culture have been limited as such, but if you'll look at the Bible, you may realize that for quite some time, it was much more common to see one man with several wives. Aside from our culture's rejection of plural marriage, the second most significant revolution in marriage was the idea that we could actually fall in love and choose our own spouse. Clearly, gay people would like to exercise this right that heterosexuals have enjoyed for well over a hundred years. Remember that fossils are fragile and break easily. So too, marriages that are inflexible and resistant to adjustment are prone to break apart.
3. Gay people have been around as long as marriage has. Different cultures have responded to them in different ways. Fortunately, our culture has become much more compassionate and understanding given our emphasis on liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
4. Jesus never made any statements concerning homosexuality. As Christians, shouldn't this inform your thinking more than the obsolete Old Testament?

I agree with the person who posted their comment on january of 2009. I too feel that no one should be denied their freedom. In the past there have been a number of civil rights movements for equality. In some portion of your life you sat down and told your self or maybe even someone that you just want to be treated like everybody else. How did you feel in that situatiion? I also know that in some point in everyone's life when you wanted something or someone so bad, but either your parent's, someone in your community or maybe even society just wouldn't let you have it. I know for a fact that it hurt a great deal to know that their is someone out there that just didnt want you to be happy.

Who am I to tell anyone that they are not allowed to be happy? Who are we as a whole to tell anyone that they can't be happy? No one is perfect and I know and you know that. So who are we to disriminate against anyone. What if allow this to happen and then all of sudden the gov't starts to regulate every little thing we do such as when to eat, when to sleep, how many children to have, how much money could make, how many hospital vists we could have. It just wouldn't be fair. So why do we do this to 2 people who only want happiness? Put yourself in their shoes for a day in see the pain that they have to suffer just to be in love. Weo should focus on the things that matter such as educating a children and taking care of business at home. Live life and live to better yourselves instead of worsening the lives of another human being.

Same sex unions are an abomination to The Most High as stated in all Holy Books (Bible, Koran, Torah & Brit Hadasha). He made Eve for Adam not Eve for Genevieve or Adam for Steve:
Genesis 19 - the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah was due to partly to homosexuality
Leviticus 18:22 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman: that is detestable.'
And for those who would say that all is forgiven and acceptable under the New Covenant - reread Jeremiah & Matthew and one will realize that 'The old covenant was written in stone, but the new covenant is written on our hearts'. Meaning the 'Law' still stands it's just written in a closer proximity to us all. Those who really want to follow the will of the Most High will realize this & be willing to come as they are and allow Him to mold them into what they need & should be.

Same sex marriage needs to be banned in all 50 states. Marriage was created as a union between a man and woman. Homosexuals already have enough rights as it is, marriage should remain off limits to them.

bella- you said "Why do the homosexuals force people to accept their lifestyle???"
have you thought about their lifestyle? i mean, heterosexual couples are actually in a way forcing their lifestyle upon the minority of gay couples.
all-
banning gay marriage is discriminatory. they're a minority. don't be a bully hah.
kevin s- said it right. especially with his point number one. separation of church and state. we've all heard that before. as well as all men are created equal. and anyway, He created all of us. Why would He have created us so differently if He did not want to accept us? There really would not be a reason in creating us in the first place.

Thanks for the information! However, it is extremely unnatural to me. And to say that homosexuality is moral, right, and natural is calling God a liar.

Searched for the information on this theme, and only here I found it. What the Constitutional Amendment movements are really doing is deliberately eroding Gay people's rights to petition their governments for redress of their grievances, a First Amendment right. First with marriage, then...? Talk about a slippery slope.