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April 14, 2009

Pulpit Made Rick Warren Sick

Mega church pastor Rick Warren canceled an appearance on ABC's This Week after he took heat for remarks on same-sex marriage.

"For those of you tuning in this morning expecting to hear from Pastor Rick Warren, we were too. But the pastor's representatives canceled moments before the scheduled interview, saying that Mr. Warren is sick from exhaustion," George Stephanopoulos told the audience on Easter Sunday.

Amy Sullivan responded with: Is Rick Warren Scared of George Stephanopoulos?

But Dan Gilgoff reports and a spokesperson confirmed with me:

Talking to a close Warren associate yesterday, I learned that the megapastor was not only too exhausted to tape a scheduled weekend interview for ABC's This Week - because of fatigue, Warren preached just six of a dozen planned Easter services on Saturday and Sunday - he was also a little nauseous.

That's because Fox News Channel, which carried a couple of Warren's Easter services, insisted that his Saddleback Church apply a fresh coat of varnish to the pulpit lectern before broadcast. The varnish was still drying when it was time for Warren to preach his next service, and the fumes got to him.

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I think he is dizzy because he cannot make up his mind whether he is for or against same sex marriage. He has flip flopped and shown that he is more concerned about political correctness than taken a stance on the Word of God.

Read the comments very carefully, not just all the interpretations, and you will realize there is not a flip flop. Rick Warren acknowledges sending an email / video message to those who are signed up to receive his bulletins, and he did personally agree with the exact language of Prop 8 that says marriage is between a man and woman. However, he told Larry King accurately that he was not part of the Proposition 8 campaign, and never contributed his name or finances toward it. There is a significant difference. Furthermore, the "insults" cited were not made on a church website, but rather were noted in a BeliefNet interview. In that case, a careful reading shows Rick Warren stated three examples of situations, all found in recent news articles, that he did not consider marriage, of which one was "gay marriage".

It is crucial to realize this story only has legs because of the persistence of some people to keep it in the forefront oof media attention. Pastor Warren is not engaged in activities against gays, and has clearly stated his opposition toward discrimination of any form.

I'm certainly not a representative for the Pastor but I can carefully read the transcripts of these interviews, and the facts, though not accurately reported, are clear.

The best news is that the fumes did indeed arise from an effort of Fox News; it's simple irony to see them hoist by their own petard.

I think Chop's words above describe it perfectly in the first five words regarding Warren:

"I think he is dizzy...."

That just about says it all about Ricky W!
Dakotahgeo

Rick Warren lied on Larry King. He did send out videos with a message to his followers on how they should vote on Prop 8. I listened to his video message and my heart cried for the gay community.

People listen to what Warren says and they do what he tells them. It is the ultimate injustice when a pastor with his power tells his followers to treat a segment of society as lesser children of God.

My gay son, Jacob, did not choose his sexual orientation. He lives a life of dignity and grace. He is a beloved child of God. I simply want for him what has been most precious to me. I want Jacob to find a deep and lifelong love, get married and have a family. We are all created with a desire to love and be loved in return. We should be affirming a couple when they find love not treating them as lesser children of God who do not deserve what we hold so dear.

May Rick Warren remember that Jesus came to teach us how to live. Jesus reached out to those on the margins, he welcomed the outcasts of his day, and he gave the world one great commandment to love one another as He loves us all.

The gay community only wants to be treated with dignity and equality. Far too often the church has been the source of the pain and suffering they have endured. When Rick Warren tells people how to vote on Prop 8, he is part of that church body who is not living Christ but using his pulpit to teach discrimination and untruths.

Regardless of Warren's waffling on the clear biblical anathema against fornication of all kinds, adultery, heterosexual,homosexual, and even bestiality, the real issue is what sayeth the Lord. There is no specific hatred towards homosexuals by Bible-believing Christians, all forms of sin are condemned by God, homosexuality not being the worst or the least. We have all come short of the glory of God and we are all in need of His eternal mercy and of the redemption brought about by the life, death and resurrection of Jesus, the Christ, the Son of the Living God. God commands all men (generic) everywhere to repent and turn from their wicked ways, denying the flesh and walking in the Spirit of holiness and true Christian love as clearly delineated in His Holy Scriptures. That is the only point we should be focusing on. Rick Warren is not only a poor and ill-equipped megapastor, he shows signs of also being a megalomaniac and is doing great harm to the cause of authentic Christianity by fearing to offend the world and showing loyalty to God's expressed will for all who claim to be His children.

While I do have some lingering doubts about Rick Warren beyond this particular issue, I would like to state that the only real issue is what God's viewpoint is on the issue of homosexuality. If we preach that God calls it an abomination, as He does at the end of the first chapter of Romans, or we mention that same-sex relations was one of the offences punishable by death under Mosaic Law, that is not preaching hatred of the people who live this corrupt lifestyle. Jesus hated sin, but He still loved the sinner. I consider "homophobic" a phoney word gays invented to make it seem like we who live the Christian way are afraid of them, when they are trying to suppress our right to speak our opinions about their practices. They want more rights, but have no qualms about taking our right of free speech away from us. Didn't they learn anything from what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah?

While I do have some lingering doubts about Rick Warren beyond this particular issue, I would like to state that the only real issue is what God's viewpoint is on the issue of homosexuality. If we preach that God calls it an abomination, as He does at the end of the first chapter of Romans, or we mention that same-sex relations was one of the offences punishable by death under Mosaic Law, that is not preaching hatred of the people who live this corrupt lifestyle. Jesus hated sin, but He still loved the sinner. I consider "homophobic" a phoney word gays invented to make it seem like we who live the Christian way are afraid of them, when they are trying to suppress our right to speak our opinions about their practices. They want more rights, but have no qualms about taking our right of free speech away from us. Didn't they learn anything from what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah?

imagine the earth with all gays living, where will it leads? no men, no women, no children. i'm afraid that adoption is extinct & maybe animals would be gay too. i believe in God & still He is giving all a chance to know Him. God created only two sexes. man & a woman. the other creature in eden was the devil. remember that. Godbless.

Anna: well, until Fox says it didn't have the pulpit lecturn varnished, I'll believe it could and probably did make Warren sick because paint and varnish has made me sick and that has nothing to do with my beliefs or Warren's beliefs. Some use varnish for a high, some get sick from it and some aren't bothered at all by it. And maybe, it wasn't the varnish, it could have been that flue that's going around right now. The flue sure made me gag and sleep for days as it did everybody in my family as it hit each one of us. Illness is nothing to make scarcastic remarks about. If you want to question a person's beliefs do so but don't ridicule exhaustion, varnish whatever causing illness. That is a sin right there.

rick warren claims to be a pastor,i gew up in a whole differeny world i gues,we are suppose to love everyone just l;ike jesus said,but on the other side if you would just read the bible god said that he made man and woman not man and man nor woman and woman he god said to replish the earth,i love gays but they are living in sin just like if you are not maried sin is sin and we half ro tell this jesus would and he is our example hate the sin but love the sinner,we arnt perfect no not one all have sinned and come short of the glory of god.christians arnt perfect we make mistakes but ask forgivness,i do love the sinner but hate the sin

How amazing and sad that Rick Warren gets SO much criticism from both inside and outside the Church. Somehow I get the feeling that if he reschedules his interview with ABC for next week, I bet we don't see these same critics coming back to say, "My mistake...Rick Warren really is a stand-up guy after all!"

God bless you greatly, Rick, for living and leading for God's glory.

Rick Warren...... You need to stand up and be heard very clearly for the sake of the Church....no political speak...no political correctness....no beating around the bush......no b.s.! Clear the air on this issue quickly! The Church deserves not to be confused by Her leaders! Ralph Gaily

“Teach discrimination and untruths” Thank you, Dakotahgeo, for summing up your “arguments” so well in your final sentence. Namely, discrimination against bible believing Christians, and untruths about the nature or homosexuality and God’s Holy rejection of all sin.
“A pastor ... tells his followers to treat a segment of society as lesser children of God.”
No unrepentant sinner is a “child of God”. That relationship comes through repentance and the desire to live according to God’s laws. Jesus said, “Repent and be baptized.” He didn’t say, “Be baptized, and do what you feel is right, because what works for me may not work for you.”
“My gay son, Jacob, did not choose his sexual orientation. He lives a life of dignity and grace. He is a beloved child of God.”
So the homosexual activists keep telling us, “Oh, it’s not what we do...it’s what we are. We’re victims of our hormones!” Problem: no credible science backs up the lie of “genetic homosexuality”, but there are lots of psychologists, psychiatrists, and others out there, not able to understand scientific data, who claim the genetic link to be true: much as those unable to understand the work of Simon LeVay. Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Since I looked at adult brains, we don't know if the differences I found were there at birth, or if they appeared later." LeVay wanted to prove a genetic link, but had the integrity to point out the erroneous claims based on his work weren’t true. Dignity and grace? Been to any pride parades lately?

“May Rick Warren remember that Jesus came to teach us how to live. Jesus reached out to those on the margins, he welcomed the outcasts of his day, and he gave the world one great commandment to love one another as He loves us all. “
Satan was good at misquoting scripture, too. The one great commandment was to “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.” (Mathew 22:37-38). “And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. “ (Matthew 22: 39-40) Note: That’s ‘loving thy neighbor’, not ‘loving thy neighbor’s sin.’
May you wake up to the fact that Jesus came to bring us salvation from the sins which would otherwise drag us down - for by ourselves, we are all slaves to sin, and thus unworthy. “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.” (John 3:17) “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners” (1 Timothy 1:15)
“The gay community only wants to be treated with dignity and equality.”
No. Acceptance of their sin isn’t enough. They want to pass off sin as normal, if not to be applauded, by society. Is your claim of their simple desires why they were pushing for the pedophile act, which the idiots of Congress stuck onto a must-pass appropriations bill, which now gives them preferential treatment under the law and threatens the free speech of true Christians (as it has in Canada, Sweden, and other “progressive” nations who passed similar foolish laws??

“Far too often the church has been the source of the pain and suffering they have endured.”
What pain and suffering? The conviction by the Holy Spirit that sin is sin? Christians doing as they’re told in Ephesians 5:11 and pointing out that they’re sinning? The revelation that morality is absolute in God’s eyes, not relative? Just as Adam tried to blame Eve for original sin, the deadly sin of pride makes homosexuals insist that the bible is wrong in its condemnation of it, and that homosexuality is OK. This way, boistered by the corrupt support of today’s society, they can blame the church for any guilt they feel - playing the victim, crying “Oh those nasty religious bigots, telling wonderful me there’s something wrong with my behavior.” Pride – caused Satan’s downfall. Homosexuality – the ultimate in self-love/egotism.
“Far too often the church has been the source of the pain and suffering they have endured.”
What pain and suffering? The conviction by the Holy Spirit that sin is sin? Christians doing as they’re told in Ephesians 5:11 and pointing out that they’re sinning? The revelation that morality is absolute in God’s eyes, not relative? Just as Adam tried to blame Eve for original sin, the deadly sin of pride makes homosexuals insist that the bible is wrong in its condemnation of it, and that homosexuality is OK. This way, boistered by the corrupt support of today’s society, they can blame the church for any guilt they feel - playing the victim, crying “Oh those nasty religious bigots, telling wonderful me there’s something wrong with my behavior.” Pride – caused Satan’s downfall. Homosexuality – the ultimate in self-love/egotism.