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July 1, 2009

Conservatives Launch New `Freedom Federation'

A new federation of two dozen conservative Christian groups announced plans today to work together to strategize around moral values they feel are under attack across the
country.

"We are not wed to a particular partisan candidate or party," said Mathew Staver, founder of Liberty Counsel and an organizer of the Freedom Federation. "We are wed to core shared values."

Those values include opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage and pornography and support for religious freedom, limited government and the right to own firearms.

The announcement followed a meeting of some 30 leaders who began a dialogue but did not draw up concrete action plans. Several leaders said work could include addressing health care reform and immigration reform and opposing gay marriage.

Asked if the federation is a response to the new Obama administration, with which many of the affiliated organizations often disagree, Staver said: "It certainly has heightened the concern. It didn't start the concern."

Representatives from the various groups, which include ethnic, women's and youth organizations, said the federation will represent a more inclusive approach to addressing public policy.

"The stereotypical media-exacerbated image of the angry white evangelical will be replaced by an evangelical movement that will reconcile uncompromised values of compassion, truth with mercy, and righteousness with justice," said the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference

Wendy Wright, president of Concerned Women for America, said the federation will show the wide range of individuals and groups that agree on biblical guidelines.

"It is bringing together the different voices and different faces that all believe in the same core principles," she said. "We are on the same page. We do believe the same things, regardless of our sex or our ethnicity."

Among the groups represented are the American Association of Christian Counselors, the American Family Association, Catholic Online, Family Research Council, High Impact Leadership Coalition, Strang Communications, Traditional Values Coalition, Teen Mania, and Vision America.

Comments

Health care must exist for everybody, not just for the few as it is now. Commercial insurance--FINE! But let their be a government health care system similar to Europe. Choose your own doctor and do away with corrupt PPO and other wasteful plans. Do away with co-pays, premiums and deductibles, because in a nationwide pool everybody can afford it. Our car-makers will be on an equal footing with foreign imports. Lose your job and you are unlikely to afford what is called health care. Only the wealthy families, and relatively stable employees don't want to upset the apple cart. As usual the status quo are trying to undermine any new plan for the whole legal population. No options, no exception--we all pay our share into a Universal government health care plan.

With the arrival of the Obama administration we have two issues that are going to be a lightening rods, and in my way of thinking should be placed before the AMERICAN VOTER AS A NATIONWIDE REFERENDUM. HEALTH CARE AND IMMIGRATION REFORM. Of all the current issues in the chambers of Washington, these are the capstone problems facing this nation of Hurricane force. If our elected public servants try to pass immigration reform or a massive health care plan without the general publics voice, their could be massive ramifications on a grand scale. Both overwhelming problems caused by years of neglect, must be resolved. Already special interest groups are spending millions of dollars, filling the airways of propaganda and corrupt info-commercials, to frighten people.

Instead being mouth pieces for the special interest lobbyists, they had better take note that their whole careers representing supposedly the will of the people is in jeopardy. Because of these enormous cost attributed to ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and HEALTH CARE--the AMERICAN PEOPLE'S INPUT SHOULD BE MANDATORY? Forget the University professors, economists, think take tank scientists and the Chamber of Commerce, ACLU, Unions, big church and business entities--THE PEOPLE--should--HAVE THE LAST WORD? Both have their own cataclysmic cost problems to the American taxpayer. THE ONLY WAY TO SATISFY THE LIBERALS, DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, ATHEISTS, EXTREMISTS, PROTECTIONISTS, OPEN BORDER AND FREE TRADERS--IS BY A STATE TO STATE FEDERAL REFERENDUM.

CALL YOUR SENATOR AND REPRESENTATIVE THE ONLY THING POLITICIANS UNDERSTAND IS PRESSURE FROM---ALL---OF US?

OK I now understand why Conservatives love their guns.

What I don't understand is why people who profess to be Christians do. Where is it in the bible?

It is nice that many of the far Right Wing Christian in name only organizations (raising money for themselves trumps Christianity) have banded together in a single organization where they are are easily identifiable.

Which of these organizations have used their fund collecting abilities to do real Christian works as opposed to scaring their followers into contributing money so the leaders can have large wages and are well funded so that that they can scare more people to give them even more money.

Its a nice racket if you can get into it but it is not Christianity.

what does the right to own firearms have to do with a moral agenda? what does it have to do with following Christ?

and exactly as someone else said, whose freedom are they fighting for? the oppressed, as Jesus did, or the privileged, as he criticized?

As far as the right to bear arms goes, it exists more for the purpose of hunting than for the potential of armed conflict with governing authority. Foolish and ignorant people would try to paint those who own guns as domestic terrorists. The historical intent is to ensure that the powerful do not deny the weak a means of feeding themselves and their families. Murder is wrong. Christians know that.

Gregory -

Do you also believe in natural selection? How does homosexual behavior fit with the fact that homosexuals are unable to reproduce in a same sex partnership. God teaches that homosexuality is unnatural and doesn't mention natural selection (probably because it is a human invention). Homosexuality is wrong and natural selection is most likely wrong, and yet people choose to believe in either or (incredibly) both of them over what God teaches. God exists. God rules. God has revealed himself to his creatures. Resistance is futile.

so let me see if i get this right - the author of our faith preached about turning the other cheek, preached about peace

and you see nothing wrong with the right to own an instrument that was created for only one purpose to kill...

so then if you see nothing wrong with this right to own a weapon, how on earth do any of you see anything wrong with a woman having the option to terminate her pregnancy if she chooses to do so?

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anne:"what does the right to own firearms have to do with a moral agenda? what does it have to do with following Christ?

and exactly as someone else said, whose freedom are they fighting for? the oppressed, as Jesus did, or the privileged, as he criticized?"

I live in NYC, and thankfully our murder rates have declined dramatically. Take a look at the rates in DC or New Orleans or Ohio. Who are those people hunting?

On second thoughts no need to answer that- it is clear that they are hunting other human beings. So you are right after all.

stop trying to be disingenuous.
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gersgwilli: "As far as the right to bear arms goes, it exists more for the purpose of hunting..."

It's very discouraging for me to read blogs/comment boards. Every time I take a minute to read any they are filled with people arguing. Is anyone game for jumping on board and doing something good with all the opportunities different organizations could offer? The problem is that we all want to get on our soapbox because we can't see the world outside of our own two eyes. Everything we read, we direct at our own feelings. If we can learn to think outside of ourselves maybe we can make some progress.

We are talking religous freedom, freedom to believe what ever you want in your religion. My religion happens to be Christianity, the Bible does teach that homosexuality is wrong, it is in the Old testament and the new testament. God oppses all sin, doesnt matter what kind, God does not rate sin, your sin is worse than my sin, sin is sin to God and we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God none of us can come into His presence with out the saving grace of Jesus Christ. Stop worrying about what we beleive as Christians, I always thought the beauty of America was that I can stand and at the top of my lungs say what I believe, while someone else can at the top of their lungs say what they bleive with out condemming and with out judgement. Thats why we live in America, to have freeedom to believe what we want. There may not be guns in the Bible since they didnt exsist then, but there is plenty of war in the old testament, and some of the battles God Himself told the Israelites to fight. Guns are a personal choice, not a political platform, if you could promise that all the guns in America could be eliminated, and no one on the street would ever be able to get one then eliminate the guns, but I dont think that you can promise that the peple that actually use them for bad on the streets and kill people in drive by shooting would be rid of them.... I think God does say we have the right to protect ourselves.
God is love and God is forgiving but only in the confines of what His Word(the Scriptures) teach. We cannont just decide that we are not going to believe part of what the scipture teaches and we will be saved, then we have made up our own God to look like the God of Bible but we are just simply going to leave out part of what the Bible teaches or discount it altogether and we will still be saved.... The Bible does not teach that it teached by Gods grace by His power by His love, through Him, in that we cant just choose to believe part of what scripture teaches.

Another Freedom federation, claiming to be apolitical and not affiliated with any candidate or party...lets' see, pro-gun, anti-gay, anti-government. Hmmm, could this really be a new group? NAH! Just another right-wing amalgamation to fill their pockets, and the air-waves, with their hate, all the while calling themselves Christians, and supporting hate-mongers while claiming they are seeking "new dialogue and reconciliation."

We will pray for those such as thes who have lost their way.

"Among the groups represented are the American Association of Christian Counselors, the American Family Association, Catholic Online, Family Research Council, High Impact Leadership Coalition, Strang Communications, Traditional Values Coalition, Teen Mania, and Vision America."

I'm not sure if this little outfit can be called new at all, every single one of these groups has been around for years. And I don't know what kind of person invited the American Family Association and the Traditional Values Coalition to join, their rhetoric only serves as fodder for people who are opposed to the evangelical movement.

Mary

A couple of things here. Firstly, I will have to agree with Gregory Peterson. The bible versions that I read and study are the King James Version and the New International Version. I really don’t know which one you read. But your version and my version cannot be the same. Also your God and my God cannot be the same. And if perchance they are then there’s a serious problem.

1. Where in the bible does it say that we as Christians are to defend ourselves? My bible teaches that you should ALWAYS turn the other cheek. My bible teaches that you should pray for your enemies. My bible teaches that those who live by the sword will die by the sword.

2. How did you get from God giving instructions to the people of Israel to freedom to bear guns. Mary if you are going to use this extrapolation then you will have to apply this logic to all of the other things that God said to do and not do. You said that you should not pick and choose. But you are doing the exact same thing i.e picking and choosing what is convenient for you.

If we were to follow the bible legalistically as you state then:
- Slavery is fine.
- A man could sell his daughter into slavery.
- Anyone who dishonors father and mother is to be put to death (this is one I personally would love for us to return to)
If a thief breaks into your home and you happen to kill him after sunrise you Mary are guilty. (hmmmmmm I wonder how the gun lobbyists would deal with this one)
- I seem to recall that God used to have the Israelites destroy men women and CHILDREN in their fights with the enemies. So then by your extrapolation this fight over abortion … is what about again?

And those Mary are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head. But we no longer adhere to them do we Mary. So the question becomes why not?

You have unfortunately put your own spin on bible verses and arrived at your own theology to suit your own worldview. And that Mary, is what everyone does. Because it suits our own view of our universe and we think it gives us the God given mandate to judge others and determine what others should do. Right on from enslaving of black people to the two present day two hot button issues.

I agree that sin is sin- consequently; there are more than same sex couplings that are deemed a sin. Have you ever heard of lying, bearing false witness, fornication, drunkenness, violence, adultery, hypocrisy, stealing? Do you think God is going to turn a blind eye to these? Not the God that I serve

Doug and Jan

You've noticed that too have you? I burst out laughing when I saw who was making up this grouping.

I'm still waiting for a response from Focus on the Family about the Mark Sandford issue.
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Doug and Jan:" Another Freedom federation, claiming to be apolitical and not affiliated with any candidate or party...lets' see, pro-gun, anti-gay, anti-government. Hmmm, could this really be a new group? NAH! Just another right-wing amalgamation to fill their pockets, and the air-waves, with their hate, all the while calling themselves Christians, and supporting hate-mongers while claiming they are seeking "new dialogue and reconciliation."

We will pray for those such as thes who have lost their way.

Great! Now I have another site to get extreme information to use on my radio show. We promote a free speech zone rather than radical religion or extreme politics. Gotta love how the "righteous" always need to name their organizations after liberty, freedom, patriotism...such phony fronts for their selective promotion of non-American values. Guess to be recognized as an American by this group you need to wear a crucifix like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingrams... just put that cross on and lie, lie, lie. When I was growing up as a Roman Catholic, people like Ann, Laura, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly would have been excommunicated instead of idolized...my how times have changed.

gershgwilli- the BIBLE is a human invention. The only reason people believe in it is because they were brought up to do so. A theory has scientific proof. The only proof you have to support the Bible is the fact that you believe it, which the Bible tells you to. You cant just enforce the values of a novel on everyone and then bash things that have legitimate and logical sense. And as for 'resistance is futile'--now theres a line appropriate for an article that features guns and religion in the same paragraph.

Randall: Wrong. A theory is just that - a theory. It has not been proven.

As far as the Bible being a human invention - Who says so? What else have you got? I submit to you that anything other than the Christian worldview is grounded in irrationality.

Yes, guns are a killing tool and when someone picks up a gun they have something in mind. Banning guns will accomplish nothing unless you change peoples' minds.

Gregory,

You type alot but don't really say much of value. I'd like to think you're not just trying to waste space.

When I say homosexuality is unnatural, I mean that God created two sexes, and it takes those two sexes to procreate. When you say that "homosexuals can have children, but that it's a little more involved" what you're really saying is that they can acquire children.

The Bible doesn't say what conservative Christian activists say it says about "homosexuality" anyway.

Posted by: Gregory Peterson at July 1, 2009

Let's explore that..

Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin.

Leviticus 20:13 "The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have committed a detestable act and are guilty of a capital offense.

1Corinthians 6:9 Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals,

1Timothy 1:10 These laws are for people who are sexually immoral, for homosexuals and slave traders, for liars and oath breakers, and for those who do anything else that contradicts the right teaching

That pretty well spells out that God and homosexuality don't mix...

so then if you see nothing wrong with this right to own a weapon, how on earth do any of you see anything wrong with a woman having the option to terminate her pregnancy if she chooses to do so?

Posted by: justin at July 2, 2009

There is a huge difference between owning a firearm and engaging in the premeditated murder of abortion...

of course there is, let's see - with abortion you kill a human being. With owning a weapon that has been invented with the sole purpose of killing - you eh share the plan of salvation with it. How could I have forgotten ...
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David Hardy "There is a huge difference between owning a firearm and engaging in the premeditated murder of abortion..."

of course there is, let's see - with abortion you kill a human being. With owning a weapon that has been invented with the sole purpose of killing - you eh share the plan of salvation with it. How could I have forgotten ...

Posted by: justin at July 7, 2009

With abortion you murder, with premeditation, an innocent human being....

With a firearm, you are afforded the option of target shooting, hunting for food, and defense against home invaders and defense of one's country...

The mere presence of a firearm, is often enough to make a criminal think twice about approaching a hard target of opportunity...

The use of a firearm as a deterrent is very able to save the life of both criminal and intended victim...

There is no abortion that is intended to save both the life of the mother and the child...

Isaiah 57:5 You worship your idols with great passion beneath every green tree. You slaughter your children as human sacrifices down in the valleys, under overhanging rocks.

And in abortion clinics...

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I hope this federation actually materializes. I would support it's agenda.


David Hardy: "With a firearm, you are afforded the option of target shooting, hunting for food, and defense against home invaders and defense of one's country...

The mere presence of a firearm, is often enough to make a criminal think twice about approaching a hard target of opportunity...

The use of a firearm as a deterrent is very able to save the life of both criminal and intended victim...

There is no abortion that is intended to save both the life of the mother and the child...

You have got to be joking. I now under fully what Jer 17:9 states when it says the "heart is deceifully wicked." You have deliberatley turned a blind eye to everything that is obvious in order to hold to your prejuidices.

I leave you with the words of Jesus Matt 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matt: 5:40: And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

Matt 26:52 "... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

I leave you with the words of Jesus Matt 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matt: 5:40: And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

Matt 26:52 "... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

Posted by: justin at July 7, 2009

Nice try... Weak argument...

Does that also mean that those who murder their unborn children, as well as those who make their livelihood by murdering the unborn... Will themselves be murdered?

Ownership of a firearm does not automatically indicate that the owner of said firearm is intent upon living by the sword and committing murder....

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the fact that most of these organizations do not understand is that the core values that they assign to are in themselves assailing freedoms of individuals and are not justice of any kind. further more these 'values' are cheapened with this kind of political movement. without cause or endeavor to inspire but rather enforce, these policies are tyrannical incarnate.

Who is in authority? Some say the civil government, religious conservatives or "these organizations". God says God.

As individuals, we are free to do what we want, either with or against the authority of the government. God says God grants authority.

The real problem is that, though we have the freedom to voice our desires and the power to change civil law, God's laws can't be changed. Further, there are no loopholes in God's law because God sees into our hearts and knows our motives.

Further still, there are real consequences to breaking God's law, for both individuals and governments. You don't have to believe me. Read any reputable translation of the Bible.

If your Bible actually says what you say it does, it's likely been assembled by people of ill will to be deliberately inflammatory. It's simply immoral. It doesn't have to say that, at least, if it's a Bible interpretation with integrity. A Bible interpretation with integrity doesn't say that, at all, ever.

Posted by: Gregory Peterson at July 7, 2009

No sale Gregory.... You may gain a sypathetic ear from Dennis McKinsey with your "Biblical interpretations."

However, no matter how much you rant about it...The Bible clearly and irrefutably condemns homosexuality, across the board...

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But, as he was a good man, he broke God's Law. Or is God's Law, God's Will, maybe something beyond the religious right's beloved clobber verses?

Posted by: Gregory Peterson at July 8, 2009

Here's a "clobber verse" for you Gregory... I am certain that you will embrace it because you are all about the second commandment, as is evidenced by all of the love that you enclose in each and every one of your postings...

Matthew 9:13 Then he added, "Now go and learn the meaning of this Scripture: `I want you to be merciful; I don't want your sacrifices.' [fn] For I have come to call sinners, not those who think they are already good enough."

Footnote:
* Hos 6:6.

Hosea 6:6 I want you to be merciful; I don't want your sacrifices. I want you to know God; that's more important than burnt offerings.

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Gregory Peterson

I think I understand what you are saying. I think Jesus even did this when he talked about an eye for an eye

An eye for an eye was a social contruct for the times and society in which is was given, but when he came he did away with it by saying "turn the other cheek"


You seem to be assuming that "homosexuality" is a "sin," though it's simply not, at least in my book.

Posted by: Gregory Peterson at July 9, 2009

You and I are obviously not reading the same book Gregory... Were you also the author and publisher of the factodal book that you rely so heavily upon to "refute" Scripture as it pertains to homosexuality being an abomination?

1Corinthians 1:20 So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made them all look foolish and has shown their wisdom to be useless nonsense.

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SOME TIMES I'M SO ASHAMED TO BE A WHITE MAN AS WELL AS A CHRISTIAN. IN TIMES WHEN I READ THINGS LIKE THIS FROM THIS POSTER JDO.

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.

NOW IF THE MODERATORS WERE WORKING THEY WOULD REMOVE YOUR FILTHY, BIGOTED RACIST RANT FROM THEIR SITE!!!

MAY THE GOD THAT YOU SERVE HAVE MERCY ON YOU!

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JDO wrote: "Wow, such anger posted here! This confirms that most liberals and homosexuals are driven by deep rooted issues causing poor dispositions. So what if some Christian groups want to form a coalition? The angry left has the backing of George Soros, Al Gore, the Clintons, America-hating Russians, Chinese and many other individual billion and millionairs...."

@ Gregory Peterson

I think this article goes in line with what you have been talking about. How bible passages have been changed.

I've been reading some of the passages from the codex siniaticus one of the oldest bible that has just been made available on line. It is interesting to see how quite a few of the verses have been changed from what they were then to what they are now.

Ann Arbor, MI; June 10, 2008 [/b] A gay man has filed suit against two Christian publishers over claims they altered passages in the Bible to depict homosexuality as sinful.[b/] by Ann Turner.

Author Bradley Fowler is seeking $60 million in damages from Zondervan Corp. and $10 million from Thomas Nelson Publishing, charging that the publishers are guilty of malice, negligence and violation of his civil rights. Fowler filed suit in the Eastern District Federal Court of Ann Arbor, MI on July 7, claiming Zondervan Corp. misled consumers and Christian Bible readers into believing “homosexuals would not inherit the kingdom of God,” according to a press statement released by Fowler on Wednesday. Fowler filed an earlier suit against publisher Thomas Nelson and its New King James Bible in June over similar accusations of language alteration in the text.

While conducting research for a book he was writing, Fowler says he “grow concerned about the variation of scriptures from one bible to the next.” According to Fowler, he was “flabbergast to find out this Christian publisher had imposed its own opinions upon religious sectors, by fraudulently implementing the terminology -homosexual- to its Bible; them removed the term from its 1994 Holy Bible—without informing the general public.” One of the text alterations Fowler attributes to Thomas Nelson Publishing comes from Corinthians 6:9. In the text from a 1976 Bible version by Thomas Nelson, Fowler claims the passage reads: “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” In the text from a 1982 version by Thomas Nelson, Fowler claims the passage has been changed to: “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodimites.”

Finally, in a 2001 version, Fowler claims the passage was changed yet again to read: “Surely you know that the people who do wrong will not inherit God's kingdom. Do not be fooled, those who sin sexually, worship idols, take part in adultery, those who are male prostitutes, or men who have sexual relations with other men, those who steal, are greedy, get drunk, lie about others, or rob these people will not inherit God's kingdom.” In a statement released to the press,

Fowler says that imposing terminology that “conveys a message of hate and discrimination towards a particular sector or group of individuals, solely based on bias opinions” has caused countless homosexuals to be “assaulted, discriminated against, and or, even murdered.” Fowler claims that Christian’s historically believe biblical scriptures are the “authentic word of god” and that the alterations of passages by Bible publishers to depict homosexuality as a sin is a willful manipulation of society into “mistreating homosexuals.” In a press statement reported by NewsMax.com, Zondervan Corp. wrote that the company relies “on the scholarly judgment of the highly respected and credible translation committees behind each translation and never alter the text of the translations we are licensed to publish… We only publish credible translations produced by credible Biblical scholars.” Company spokesperson Tara Powers told The Christian Post: "Since Zondervan does not translate the Bible or own the copyright for any of the translations we publish, we are not in a position to comment on the merits of how a word should or should not be translated.” The U.S. District Judge presiding over Fowler’s case against Thomas Nelson Publishing, Julian Abele Cook Jr., has stated the court “has some very genuine concerns about the nature and efficacy of [Fowler’s] claims...”

Now I'm no lawyer, but I don't think Mr. Fowler has a case.

Fowler may not have a legal case, but he definitely has a moral case. He's quite right. Some Bibles that are being published today have been perverted and twisted into deliberate hate propaganda, and the people who write, publish, sell and cite them as credible sources are immoral and contemptible...to put it politely.

Posted by: Gregory Peterson at July 11, 2009

And of course you are a Hebrew/Greek scholar and are an unimpeachable expert in the field of Biblical interpretation...

Please to bring more than conjectural factoids with you next time Gregory... Thank you in advance

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The Bible does not condemn homosexuality, or Gay people or even MSM, and neither condemns nor condones what Gay people might do in bed, either. The Bible wants us, I think, to try that Golden Rule thing as best we can, which Gay people can practice as well as, or as badly as, not-Gay people.

MSM is the current label used by many sociologist, I think, for Men who have Sex wit Men, but don't necessarily identify as Gay. Think Sen. Larry Craig, for starters.

Posted by: Gregory Peterson at July 14, 2009

You have no Hebrew/Greek credentials except to say that you "have ready access to people who are".. So in other words, you have to take someone else's word for it... Meaning that you have to have faith, in what your "experts" tell you...

Translated... You really don't have any real idea regarding the very explicit condemnation of homosexuality in the Bible and you demonstrate your extreme ignorance by condemning Scripture...

John Wycliffe, you ain't..

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I could be wrong. In any case, I don't see much that I recognize as intellectual integrity in religious-right organizations. They're quite likely wrong about "homosexuality" anyway. The Bible couldn't condemn homosexuality as a sin, unless it was written within the lifetimes of my grandfather and myself. I've seen Bible older than my grandfather, and they don't mention "homosexuality." It didn't exist.

Posted by: Gregory Peterson at July 16, 2009

Somehow Gregory... Your claims of great knowledge are completely lost on me.. Because you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about Biblically...

1Corinthians 6:9 Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals,

ἀρσενοκοίτης = arsenokoitēs

1) one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual

ἄρσην = arsēn

1) a male

κοίτη = koitē

1) a place for laying down, resting, sleeping in

a) a bed, couch

2) the marriage bed

a) of adultery

3) cohabitation, whether lawful or unlawful

a) sexual intercourse

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There were no homosexuals in Paul's day. "Homosexual" is now a pejorative word in America, thinks to organizations such as CT, which has a long history of petulant hostility towards civil rights, for which it has never apologized (that I remember), never apparently repented...just rather pathetically, just merely, transparently, pretended that it didn't.


Posted by: Gregory Peterson at July 20, 2009

Gregory... You are free to stake your eternal soul upon your denial that the Bible is both authoritative and condemns homosexuality...

Build your barge and invite all of your "friends" with itching ears to join you as you float down the river of Denial..

Matthew 7:13 "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way.

Matthew 7:14 But the gateway to life is small, and the road is narrow, and only a few ever find it.


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Man's greatest need is forgiveness.

We've all broken God's laws; therefore, we all need His forgiveness of which we receive this forgiveness by coming to the realization that we need Him because we have disobeyed His guidelines (i.e. Laws) that He established for our own protection. He's the Creator; we are the creation. He made us; therefore, He makes the rules. It is in our best interest to obey what He says.

Because we are made in His image and He has given us free will, there are many who want to be in charge and interpret and live their life however they see fit, even if it leads to the end of their own destruction.

I've noticed the majority of bloggers here are attacking the conservative Christians by calling us hate-monkers. You guys need to take the plank out of your own eye first before you're qualified to judge us to take the speck out of our eye. True authentic Christians (not the many people professing to be Christians) are not hate-monkers, we just know what God's word says about homosexuality and how it's wrong, because it's a direct attack against God's very first command to His creation, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it." Sorry guys, but the anus is for exit only. That is such a dirty part of the human body that's filled with germs. And ejecting your seed into someone's anus is not going to reproduce anything. It's simply a breeding ground for disease--hence, the growing epidemic of AIDS.

For anyone compelled to respond in opposition to my comments, I already have one last comment for you:

A man rejects God neither because of intellectual demands nor because of the scarcity of evidence. A man rejects God because of a moral resistance that refuses to admit his need for God.

I pray you seek God with all your heart so that you will experience His forgiveness and then one day enter into His eternal Kingdom when you die.

I don't understand. What do "limited government" and guns have to do with Christianity?

I see elsewhere this group has rallied to oppose health care reform, perhaps reasoning that the command of Reagan to reduce the size of government is greater than the command of God to heal the sick. It reminds me of the scribes and the Pharasees who watched to see if Jesus would dare to heal on the Sabbath.

Opposition to abortion makes sense, and I can understand that there are good arguments against same-sex marriage. But how can followers of Christ get so upset about same-sex marriage and yet be silent about torture or violations of human rights? If we are worried about "moral relativism", then we should start with fighting the relativism used to justify cruelty and sadism, and leave condemning the prostitutes and tax collectors until the real problems in the world have been cleaned up.

Diana,

You quote the saying of Jesus, "take the plank out of your own eye before you remove the speck from your brother's eye."

But I do not think you quite understand yet what that means.

Here is what the saying means: It means that it is not your concern whether your brother is clean or unclean, whether your brother is misusing a "dirty" part of this body, or whether your brother is reproducing. It means that is is not your job to instruct your brother on where to place his seed, which is a matter between him and God.

The saying means that before you concern yourself with the sexual behaviors of others, you should purify your own heart from lust. Before you take an interest in whether others cleanse their "exit only" parts, you should cleanse your thoughts. Before you remind others of their need for God, you should remember your own need for God.

That is what it means.

I'm confused... didn't Jesus WANT Christians to take care of the sick and poor?

It's interesting that this group calls itself the "Freedom Federation" when the very essence of what they're fighting for is restriction. Restriction of same-sex marriage, restriction of pornography, etc. Indeed, they should be called the "Lack-of-Freedom Federation". It's like saying, "I don't like sandwiches; therefore, all sandwiches should be banned."

True freedom comes from following what God wants and tells us to do. Psalm 119:45 says "I will walk about in freedom, for I have sought out your precepts."

Precepts are commands or directions given as a rule of action or conduct. We have true freedom when we follow what God wants, and not when following satan and sinning in so-called same-sex "marriage."

You can either find true happiness by believing in and following Christ and doing as He has told us, or stay unhappy with a false facade of happiness and eventually ending up in the eternal lake of fire. So this group is well named.