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July 27, 2009

Pro-life Leaders Urge Action Against Abortion Health Care

If you tried to log on to the Stop the Abortion Mandate webcast Thursday night, your connection may have timed out like mine did. According to moderator David Bereit 36,187 people were all trying to stream the live event at the same time.

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Recent media coverage of the debate about abortion and health care reform may have heighted interest in the webcast. (Christianity Today has blogged about it here and here).

Pro-life leaders participating in the webcast included Kristen Day of Democrats for Life, James Dobson of Focus on the Family (with a pre-recorded message), Father Frank Pavone of Priests for Life, and Douglas Johnson of the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC), but not former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee. His absence after originally being included in the list of participants was not explained, although he blogged against universal health care on the same day.

Webcast speakers focused on abortion. "What you probably haven't heard is that the health care bill being advanced by Democrats is the abortion industry's dream come true," said Dobson, who opened the presentation with his pre-recorded statement. He continued:

The health care bill will force taxpayers to fund a huge abortion industry bail-out, even though the majority of Americans oppose abortion. In addition, it will mandate that virtually every American will be coerced into a health plan that covers abortion, and it would require that health care providers that are opposed to abortion violate their own consciences by performing abortions at the risk of losing their own jobs. It will be a disaster for the sanctity of human life and an assault on the moral values of every American who is forced to support the killing of babies.

Pavone said the bill would be "the largest expansion of abortion since Roe vs. Wade" and said that the health care reform bill would "prop up" the "collapsing" abortion industry. Subsequently, Wendy Wright of Concerned Women for America and Tom Minnery, the senior vice president of Government and Public Policy at Focus on the Family, both spoke out against the use of "deceptive language" in the bill. Minnery said:

You'll recall that as a candidate, President Obama said he wanted to make abortion very rare. This proposal gives the lie, I'm sorry to say that, but it gives the lie to that statement. Obviously, we all know that what is … subsidized … will expand.

Day, speaking for Democrats for Life, struck a hopeful note by reminding listeners of the letter sent last month by 20 pro-life Democrats to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, informing her that they would not support abortion funding in the bill. Day said that she knew of several other members of the Democrat majority-led House who would have signed also, had they not missed the deadline. Day said, "I'm convinced we will pick up enough votes to make sure the health reform bill does not pass if the abortion amendment is not in there."

Although not mentioned in the webcast, Thursday provided another example of Democrats in the House working toward common ground in the abortion debate. Reps. Tim Ryan and Rosa DeLauro, who approach the issue from either side of the pro-choice/pro-life divide, proposed the Preventing Unintended Pregnancies, Reducing the Need for Abortion and Supporting Parents Act. The bill provides for an adoption campaign, along with tax incentives for adoption, and increased availability of ultrasound equipment. While groups such as Planned Parenthood and NARAL have signed on to the bill, some pro-life groups protest its funding for contraception and comprehensive sex education.

A 96 minute recording of the event and an "Action Guide" with suggestions for contacting senators and representatives is available at StoptheAbortionMandate.com.

Comments

I feel that we as Christians forget that not all abortions are done to kill unwanted fetus'. Some abortions must be done out of health and safety reasons.

My mother was one of the women who needed an abortion because my sister-to-be was without a brain, and had my mother continued her pregnancy the child would have killed my mother. I know that there are people out there they use abortion wrongly, which we can prevent, but please don't make all abortions illegal; an abortion saved my mother, who gave birth to my bother two years later.

Thank you for sharing that Samantha...stories like these often get lost in the shouting over this subject. I would also add that many, if not most, late-term abortions occur because of this type of devastating condition and not because somebody wakes up one morning 7 months pregnant and says gee I don't think I want to go through with this anymore.

Samantha

Because christians deliberately choose to ignore the fact of these situations. I recall one rabid poster who can find a plethora of bad information from discredited websites to dump here, literally stating that a woman's life has never been in danger to necessitate such a termination. I could only but shake my head at the willfull ignorance.

The choice should remain avaialble. And I'm saying this as a Christian

How about pro lifers urge action against the invasion of Iraq as well as Afghanistan

Thank you Samantha for contributing your story. I am sorry your mother had to go through that. :*( Please be reassured that the Pro-Life movement is not trying to eliminate abortions in cases in which a mother's life is in jeopardy. Virtually every Pro-Life person supports this caveat.

Heather, I wish your assessment of the situation were true.

Justin, no one is ignoring the situations when a mother's life is in jeopardy.

Enough of the ill-informed, emotionalized rhetoric already. From both sides. Plain logic, the witness of Scripture, and the American Rule of Law all clearly condemn the intentional killing of innocent human persons (take note of every term in that last clause). It's called murder (as distinct from manslaughter, retributive justice, etc.). There are two reasons abortion is still legal. First and foremost, the Supreme Court decided in 1973 that unborn children were not "persons" under the protection of the law. Second, although that assessment of personhood has been widely recognized as false, the tenure of Supreme Court justices has prevented the SC from overturning Roe. To add to that, public debate on the issue has consistently completely missed the point (that is, the debate over personhood).

According to the U. S. Rule of Law, persons do not have unrestricted jurisdiction over their own bodies. We are forbidden from using our bodies to harm another in certain ways (e.g., theft, assault, manslaughter, libel, murder), under threat of penalty. One does not have the right to kill another person simply because that person threatens his or her "well-being." The only justification is defending oneself against the malicious attack of another, and even then the rights are curbed (e.g., you cannot kill someone because they are threatening to punch you in the face).

Often times the argument is raised about the baby being "part of the woman's body," and therefore under her jurisdiction, but this is scientifically untrue. While the child may be within and connected to its mother's body, it is still a separate/unique being in every other sense. A baby does not become an individual person the moment it exits the womb and the umbilical cord is cut.

Going back to Samantha's comment, please note that medical technology today makes it almost unheard of that any abortion is ever medically necessary. Perhaps in your mother's day that wasn't the case. But a decade ago (and we have progressed leaps and bounds since then), the Physicians Ad Hoc Committee for Truth, a group of more than 200 doctors, signed onto a statement amid the partial birth abortion debate saying that procedure is "never medically necessary." These days, abortion at other points as a necessity would require the rarest of possible circumstances. Much more likely the baby doesn't survive a risky operation to save its life in utero. The abortion itself puts the mother at greater risk. It's a straw man argument these days to talk about the health of the mother as a reason for abortion except in the most extreme scenario, and even then there are other options than to induce an abortion.

Jorge...what do you suggest would save a fetus without a brain???

Matt---that's your opinion...most women who want an abortion would not choose to wait until the third trimester to do so. The risks are greatly increased by then and its much easier to have an abortion in the first or second trimester. According to numerous reports many of the women who traveled to recently murdered Dr. George Tiller's clinic in Kansas (only one of three in the US that specialized in late-term abortions) were not women who wanted to have abortions, or who even support the right to choose to have an abortion. Many were women with wanted pregnancies who learned that their baby had no brain, or kidneys growing on the outside of their bodies or things their doctors described to them as 'severe fetal cardiac malformations.'

Can you imagine going through two or three more months of pregnancy knowing that the outcome is delivering a baby that will die?? Some women amazingly can do that and feel it's necessary to continue for closure, others find that their dignity and sanity depends on being able to end the pregnancy. Who are you to judge them?

Thank you for the support -- it was a tough time, and it still is. One of the hardest things today is trying to explain what happened to my family.

Jorge,

I disagree with your statement that, "While medical procedures have become technologically advanced, science today would not have been able to save my sister. She was without a brain; something science cannot cure.
I firmly disagree with your statement that it's, "almost unheard of that any abortion is ever medically necessary" -- the percentage of women having to abort a wanted child is about 5%; taking Planned Parenthood's statistics (for 2007) of 305,310 abortions preformed and apply 5% to that figure, 15,265.5 women that year had an abortion because of medical issues.
As to 200 doctors signing this document.. what is their medical field? If they did not specialize in pregnancy and surgery their understanding of the female body, birthing, and the side effects of birthing, surgery, and abortion, would be limited compared to the doctors that saved my mother's life.

Sam

A baby being born without a brain will either die in the uterus or be born dead as my Sister's was after being induced. Unfortunately there have been born dead babies for centuries. There will always be a % of born dead and today's medicine insures the carrier, the Mother will live once the dead baby is removed through surgery or medicine. This is not what the anti abortion is about. Anti Abortion is about the killing of the healthy for the convenience of economy or free sex or future needs or reasons of the carrier, not for medical reasons. One is done by a medical doctor in a hospital, one is done by an abortionist doctor in an abortionist clinic, like planned parenthood. This Health care??? bill props up a private killing business with taxpayer money. I actually think it is constitutionally illegal. It's not something like clean water or roads that gov is supposed to being using taxpayer money for.

I saw on the health channel two weeks ago, three awesome unbelieveable medical stories.

1. A baby was born with 2 heads due to a parasite somehow getting into the embryo! If I hadn't seen it, I would not have believed it myself! She was about 4/5 months old with an attached head that was like 1/4 of a body attached to her. The head attached to her was formed up to its shoulders (meaning the second head had a neck and shoulders only!) nothing else was attached!! when the natural baby slept the attached baby would be woke. When the attached baby cried, the natural baby didn't. Can you visibly imagine seeing a partial (head and shoulders) attached to a complete physical body!! they were looking at options of surgery with no guarantees!! the parents LOVED this baby and of course they were devastated!! they knew the formality of the baby in the womb and they made their choice to have her. this was in South America.

2. the second story (on the same channel) was about a little girl born WITHOUT A FACE!! eyes on one side, lips on another side, huge tongue hanging from her mouth, one eye open, one eye closed (each in unusual places on her face). she could not speak because of the deformity of her mouth and she had to eat via a straw if I am not mistaken. this is an American child who's father is in the military and who does her homework with her via satellite as much as he can. she looked about 8 yrs old, but due to the deformity, I don't know. either way, this child was/is obvivously loved and adorned by her parents. she was the HAPPIEST child I'd ever seen!! kids at school were scared of her when she first started but some came around to love her! the most fasincating thing is she had NO CLUE that there was anything ABNORMAL (according to the world) about her. she thought it was OTHER people that was abnormal! she did sign language to communicate. she wanted her parents to take her places and do things with her that other people and kids did because she saw herself as NORMAL! it was an UNBELIEVABLE story of TRUE LOVE INSIDE THE HEART!!!

3. this young man was born with a defect that made all his human limbs look LITERALLY like a tree (bark from a tree...arms, legs, hands). it was soooooooo SAD!!

I say all this to say I am a PRO-LIFER! But like Peter with Jesus, I don't know what ANY OF US would LITERALLY do unless we were put in the midst of such choices!! It is so easy to say this and say that when the situation belongs to SOMEONE ELSE!! But when the rubber meets the road, would we be a PETER and JESUS all over again!! There are many pro-lifers that belong to no type of childrens ministries or children programs to assist them or the mothers choicing to abort. America has a growing secrt sin of child/teen sex slavery and pornography! caring for that life shouldn't stop just because you made it out of the womb! I find it hard to believe that all of these women are having abortions JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN, to include the many CHRISTIANS that do it to hide their sin of fornication and adultery!! it has to be a very very difficult choice for many regardless of the reason. Again, life doesn't stop because you made it out of the womb. we need to treat those that made it out of the womb (human beings) far better than we do. Minister to people. Emotionally manipulating people and spiritual condemnation is not ministering to the spirit as Jesus would do! Lately those who have been judgemental and condemn are the same people who are now or later fallen into the same sins are worst! we should share the GOOD NEWS about LIFE with love and be there to offer an alternative to abortion without manipulating or condemning!!

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Dear sir or Mrs.,
We wish to share a new concept, that the writing is by my hand but the design is by another . No matter of what faith within each church, we wish to bring forward a new concept to build on. This Pay It Forward is in fact created by a child who believed that he could help one and than have his good deed paid forward by another.
The FASC Concepts is that of how to show something that its creation is offered as a true and honest concept to be paid forward and it is open to you to build on.
A concept that is offered, how it opens you thoughts and how you wish to share it will be of your design.


The health care issue is stuck in a sandbox, you have Obama s plan and the Republican plan and as it would seem if the people do not support the plans the door is not open. Everybody is fighting over the sandbox. If you do not play follow the leader ,that the door is truly not open. We ask that the different parties put aside, of who is right and who is wrong and Pay It Forward as a united effort by the people to bring forward a more perfect union..
We ask you to come and see a lot of ideas and building block concepts that opens your mind.
Within one to two years we will show how to remove health care out of company pockets so they can join a concept to rebuild jobs in America.
Through a ten dollar factor of,{ $10.00 x 250 million people} we came up with a concept of the average cost for a health plan built by the people and for the people to vote for. With the effort to build a more perfect Union, a rough view of payments is around is around $10 to $40.00 a month and this covers the whole family. CONCEPT, to build a INURANCE PLAN in and for the people and by the people.
NO! The numbers are right...$1 TRILLION DOLLARS A MONTH. Now unless Government employees think that people are stupid, we invite you to see our thoughts and build on them.

Within the Constitution it is our right by law, that if a person or people see into a issue or issues that is so wrong ,not only is our right to bring it forward it is our duty. Every day we contact ten people and it is our hope to have the sum of 10 x 10 paid forward. As of now, there is around 30000 people who,s minds have opened to a idea that is open to all, to share and build on.

A American Dream,a concept that will touch your mind and its truth for the building block for a HEALTHCARE RFEORM STIMULUS PACKAGE, that has never been conceived within the 21st century of man s thoughts. It will put a smile on your face. The people do not want the system to take care of them, Im sorry but this is true.
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We believe in the right to live and if a woman is to die, because of be pregnant than she has the right to live.If a woman is raped, it is her right to chose and not to be judge, for is it not written that a christain is to pray for those and ask God to touch those that trouble you. But to be out having fun and hut oh Im pregnant, will, We fell that the child has the right to live.November 6, 2009
Dear Sir and Mrs.,

F.A.S.C. Concepts in and for Pay It Forward is a 2 part petition. In support of the Pay It Forward is to do something good within a action or a idea and then have another pay it forward the same good intention. Within or web site it is clear of all our goals. Private Schools for children lost to the streets, Asking H.U.D. To help put families back into homes, build a forum through a health care issue that needs to be for the people according to their needs.

I have allowed a issue to get in my way and our goals. I am truly sorry but our web site is being worked on as you read this. Not never one time have we ever asked for you to put your faith into what we write, but we do ask if you see into this, to put your faith into yourself of how to build on this to make it work and to keep it safe from scams.

Within the Federal Act Security Card link you will see two more concepts, one is called ,silly me concept, and the other is the, caveman concept. I would love to share the cave man concept with you. You see the cave man was out and about one day and he saw gold he looked at it and then he looked at the cave woman, so he tossed aside the gold. It is the same with the health care issue that the people fight over, in the cave man days it held no value over his woman but now in this 21st century of mankind it is no more than a way to get rich off of the old, the sick and the dieing.

To understand me and how my mind sees into issues, it is because I am dyslectic, I will never have a G.E.D. ,I will never be able to go to College, but through my disability i have a gift, and that is to be able to see into issues, people, and the earth. I remember one day in Tennessee i was walking out of the forest from a days hunt and I stood before the biggest Oak Tree I have ever seen, the sun was setting over the ridge and the fall leaves and sun light set this tree into a flam of colors. I found myself staring at this tree and for reasons unknown to me , I said ,” God who am I and what was I created to do ?” I know it sounds silly for a man to talk to a tree in order to reach God.

There will come a time in a persons life that they will look into their self and look for things that is good. It may be for a woman for a child or for God and Country.

I know without a doubt because of law created to remove prayer from schools that our children are murdered in schools. And because of laws created against the Flag Of America that people lost respect for our own laws. This is to stay as it is, we must remove God from the Court Houses {to swear by.}

What I do ask of people if you see into my mind of what is written and you believe in part or in full, do I as have and email President Obama and ask him to look into his hand and see where he came from and what it took for him to get where he is today. To never forget this because people elected you into office to be the Commander And Chief of the Military, to help fix this failed system, but not to be the leader of the people, but instead we ask for you Sir, “To step away from the Democrats and the Republicans and stand with the people of the United States Of America and God. Then say to the two different parties stand with us and lets rebuild America.”
All we ask is for you to Pay It Forward.
Henry Massingale

We stand for what is good and I wish to share this with you....

November 8 2009
Health care Bill makes history.
The Bill is not even 24 hours old and it has seen the steps of failure.
Is it true that within this Bill is a concept to force this on people or go to jail?
You can find this story at the health care link, look for health care bill failed.
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look for page 1 american dream
Henry Massingale

FASC

What is important to remember, these insurance companies need to merge as one and take control of this issue of cost that starts from the builders of of medications, and items used in treatment of the sick and injured. If there is a kind of sir. charge that puts the cost of a,lets say a needle from whole sale of a $ 1.00 to a cost of $2.00, this is a double of the price for profit against the health care troubles we face.
Health Care Companies can help build this United Health Care Forum or sit back and let Government Officials build laws to govern them.
What we wish to show the people is that through this United States effort of this Health Care Reform Stimulus Package we offer is a building block to show why this country is in trouble.
1st. The laws against God by United States Laws...
2nd. The Laws against Country through our United States Flag.
3rd. The Boycott of The Arabic Drug Empire.
4th. The Great China Wall.
5th. The Mini warehouse factories, to strategically place jobs through out this country to cut gas over head and free our country from the Arabic oil companies.
6th. To build the most powerful movement in a anti war / crime prevention of forum that will secure people and the national Security Of The United States.
7th. This being built by people and not through new created Laws Of Control. Will force our Government Officials to work for the people and the secret is what we offer through the Federal Act Security Card, as it merges with this Health Care Forum. As this choice of freedom of a tax forum for health care cost and the freedom of choice of a payment forum through a Health Care Insurance Companies. The building block is so power full through this dollar that through this United Health Care Forum, this system that failed within Government Supervision will now be in control by a supervision of people who see issues that I am not allowed to see.
What I wish to share is that all of the issues I do see and is listed on the net and at our website is the building block that will secure or country from our enemies and bring back the Made In The USA. These things I see is what I have seen for over 40 years of my life and as a child I was deeply touched by the first Laws against God and Country, and I say to you this was our first steps as a Country headed for failure.
This little bit of input is apart of a SCHEMATIC  part 2, and it is by far a honest approach to our troubling issues of the 21 st. century within America.
To put it simple on one issue, the Laws against God and Country, Officials of Government and the Courts did not have permission to do such a order.
We are at war against a Drug Empire.
Respect Of the Wall Of China to our west, the wisdom is a part of documented history.
The FASC Card gives back a chance to so many people to build for the tomorrow for their children of poor families.
FASC Concepts is a strategically building block to show the world that we as a people are
{ read-ing } ourself, so that all of which we stood for will once again be and as a people we will live on.
Henry Massingale
FASC CONCEPTS
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A female's right to choose in Kansas might shortly be blown away like dust in the wind. As reported by the Associated Press, Kansas state legislators unanimously approved new abortion regulations that might squash providers in the state out of business. The Kansas Department of Health and Environment can begin implementing the new regulations as early as Friday. I found this here: New Kansas abortion rules will usurp the right to choose