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March 2, 2010

Catholic Charities Halts Spousal Benefits as D.C. Legalizes Same-Sex Marriage

Catholic Charities in Washington D.C., has stopped offering benefits to spouses of employees who are not already enrolled in the plan, William Wan and Michelle Boorstein report for the Washington Post. The law prohibits contractors of the city from discriminating against same-sex married couples, and the decision came just before the District made same-sex marriage legal.

The move is an effort to prevent offering benefits to same-sex partners. The Supreme Court declined to put on hold a new law that allows same-sex couples to marry in Washington, D.C., according to Reuters.

Other items from the news:

  • Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison Perry conceded to Texas governor Gov. Rick Perry on Tuesday night as Perry gained 51 percent of the votes to Hutchison's 30 percent.
  • Here's what Mike Huckabee had to say to the National Religious Broadcasters last weekend, according to Christian Heinze at GOP 12.

    "I don’t consider myself a religious broadcaster in the sense that my programming is religious, but I consider myself unapologetically a Christian believer and I take my Christian faith to work with me everyday. I don’t leave it at the door.

    .... people ask me why I don’t do more Gospel orientated content on my show. Fox isn’t a Christian channel, it’s a news channel. They want me to be careful not to look sectarian but if anybody watches the show regularly they’re certainly going to see spiritual content whether it’s a Christian music artist or people giving very powerful testimonies of their own faith and walk with God. I’m careful to ensure we do that in the balance.”

  • Move over, evangelicals. Tea partiers are taking your slot as the group to woo. Gerald F. Seib writes in the Wall Street Journal that the time is similar to when Ronald Reagan told a convention of evangelicals in August 1980: "I want you to know I endorse you and what you are doing."

    Republicans today are trying something similar with the Tea Party movement. Yet even as Republicans relish this thought, it's worth remembering that, just as their embrace of the religious right created occasional heartburn alongside electoral success, so too does their slow embrace of the Tea Party movement carry downside risks as well as upside potential.

  • Elrena Evans writes about Michelle Obama's campaign against obesity for Her.meneutics.


Tragic. Yet another casualty of the battle between religious and personal freedom and government mandated equality. If nothing else, it's decisive proof that same-sex marriage does affect all of society, and not just same-sex couples.

You do not know me, but I am not angry or hateful. I love the Lord and I care very much about people, I love my neighbor, as the Bible says. I believe the Bible is God's Word, and God has made it very clear what He thinks about homosexuality. It is an abomination to God. Yes, just one sin separates us from God's holiness. But it does not logically follow then, that all sins are equal. They are not. Jesus talks about "greater sins" in John 19:11 and elsewhere. In the OT, where the Jews lived under a Theocracy, the death penalty was given for certain acts, such as murder, and of course it was not the penalty for minor offenses.

Despite the constant hammering away from homosexuals and their "rights", many of us still know the truth. Homosexuals have the EXACT same rights we all have. They have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex, just like the rest of us. They are not missing any "rights". They can get married just like everyone else. If they manage to persuade everyone that somehow they are missing some right, they will move to their next step.

Next, they will want the "right" to molest boys. The tactic they use here is what they call "the criminalization of youth." They will begin to hammer away that youths are being denied their "rights". They claim it is the youths who initiate the sexual contact. They really expect us to believe that lie! Despite what some may say on this board, a large percentage of homosexuals support NAMBLA, it is just not "pc" yet. They take one step at a time, and right now they are working away on the supposed "right" they do not have. They have every right that we do, don't forget that. Satan, the enemy, is always trying to convince believers that the truth is a lie.

As we know, some try to twist Scripture saying that God didn't really mean homosexuality is an abomination when God said it was. Satan tried to convince Eve by saying "...did God REALLY say...?" Satan tries to confuse us about His word if we don't know it well, and that's why we should all spend time reading it every day, just like praying.

1Cor 2:4
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Cor 3:19-20
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness"; 20and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

I was censored but Barbara wasn't? Her post is offensive and slanderous in the extreme. Shame on CT. Don't you have the slightest inkling of what morality is?

Homosexuals have the EXACT same rights we all have. They have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex, just like the rest of us. They are not missing any "rights". They can get married just like everyone else.

This is, of course, the exact same argument that was used to defend anti-miscegenation laws: Black people have the right to marry someone of the same race as themselves, just like everyone else.

Ebomuse, how do you come up with that????? There was an additional law that was ennacted at some time about only being able to marry the same race. That is not the case now, and I don't think your point makes any kind of sense and isn't logical at all. Men and women are DESIGNED to be married to each other. That's a fact. That's how God intended things to be, and that's a fact.

Here, we are talking about the marriage between a man and a woman, which goes back to the very beginning when God created Adam and Eve. Again, homosexuals have the EXACT same rights that everyone else does, they can marry someone of the opposite sex. Sorry, your comparison makes no sense, it's like comparing apples and oranges.

Barbara, you are certainly entitled to your beliefs, and no one is saying you aren't. But please understand that a growing majority of American citizens (including Christians like myself) believe the government has no business telling citizens who they can and cannot marry. As an aside, how does two gay men getting married affect you in the slightest? Denying two people rights you currently enjoy because you simply don't like them is not the way we do things around here.

Furthermore Barbara, I must take exception to your comment that "a large percentage of homosexuals support NAMBLA". Not only is that patently false, it is about as fair as saying "A large percentage of Baptists support assassinating abortionists." Please quite painting an entire group with the brush of the lunatic fringe. It makes you look both hateful and ignorant.

Thank God for people like Barbara. Her hate-filled tirades will continue to expose the anti-gay camp for what they truly are. Having seen her rants, the moveable middle will slowly be moved to side of fairness, justice and equality.

Why are you even reading "Christianity Today" and not "Secular Humanism Today"? You might watch out for calling others ignorant, when it is you who is obviously painfully unaware of the strong ties between the homosexual community and NAMBLA.

NAMBLA is always a part of, and welcomed to, every homosexual-"pride" parade, and NAMBLA members are welcomed as members in the International Lesbian and Gay Association. Instead of trying to stop the horrible abuse of many of their members with underage minors, they are welcomed members.

Like I said, people like you who think you speak for everyone else, just make it easier for their next step which will have them protesting against the "criminalization of youth" and their lies about youth initiating contact with the child molestors among them. Heterosexuals call for strong laws against child molestors, but not homosexuals, it is just one of their sub-groups participating in their parades and everything else that their Association does.

Barbara, I am puzzled why you are so keen to talk about molestation and NAMBLA, neither of which is germane to this story. No one is defending either. What we are standing up for is loving your neighbor as yourself, and not demonizing your gay brothers and sisters - sinful people for whom Lord Christ died.

Surely we can agree that straights AND gays are humans and deserve equal rights and protection under the law?

As an aside, are you friends with any homosexuals? Could you be?

The point is, that homosexuals have the exact same rights as heterosexuals. We both have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. This is how God ordained things to be. They have the EXACT same rights.

No, they are not against sex with minors or why would the sickening group NAMBLA be WELCOMED into their association and partipate in their parades? Think about it. What if heterosexual pedophiles had a prominant part of your Independence Day parade, assuming you had one? Unless all your sense of morality has been washed away, you would probably protest this.

Jesus did not tell the prostitute "all is well, carry on", He told her to "go, and sin no more."

I am not full of hate at all. I pray that they will read the Bible and accept Jesus. I pray this for all non-believers. I do believe in a literal lake of fire, and I would not wish that for anyone. I pray they will repent. Christ is offensive to the sinful nature of every human beieng. Like I posted earlier, Christ said He did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Matt 10:34-36
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - 36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household

Homosexuality is listed as a sin, an abomination to God. I'm not going to repeat what I've put in past posts.
Hebrews 10 says this:

"26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God."

We seem to all fall into 2 groups. Those who believe God and His Word, and those who pick and choose what they want to believe. We will never come into agreement if you don't accept God and His Word.

Barbara says: "We seem to all fall into 2 groups. Those who believe God and His Word, and those who pick and choose what they want to believe. We will never come into agreement if you don't accept God and His Word."

I will give you this point (in which you proclaim smugly that you believe in God and his Word and people who disagree with you don't.), but I must ask you this:

Why should American laws affecting homosexual marriage be based off YOUR bigoted worldviews when a growing majority of our culture rejects your view of reality?

Like it or not, at every single election, when the voters have been asked if they support homosexual marriage or not, they have NOT. So, you are not able to back yourself up biblically or by saying what Americans want. They have voted in many states, and homosexual marriage is always voted down. In addition, every poll has said that Americans do not want homosexual marriage permitted. So it is you who is speaking for a minority, not me.

With Lesbian organizations leading the way, NAMBLA has always been opposed by the larger Gay and Lesbian community, even if a few of the more libertarian minded radicals didn't denounce it in its early days. Within a few years, NAMBLA was thoroughly ostracized from GLBT events. Because of massive GLBT opposition, NAMBLA is now all but defunct, reduced to a mail box and a couple of wretches who can maintain a website. Perhaps the religious-right should look to the GLBT community for ways to quash extremist groups which claim to be Christian?

I don't see the purpose of this fight against homosexuals. After all, what have they done to us to condemn them this way?

Barbara, don't forget that a large percentage of "God-fearing" Americans were in favor of slavery, segregation laws and laws banning inter-racial marriage. I also note, with some dismay, that you have chosen to ignore all my queries directed your way. I repeat them here in hopes of getting a direct answer:

How does two gay men getting married affect you (or your marriage) in the slightest?

Are not both straights and gays God-created humans deserving equal rights and protection under the law?

Are you friends with any homosexuals? Could you be?

Why should American laws affecting homosexual marriage be based off YOUR bigoted worldviews?

I look forward to hearing your reply.

Since same sex marriage is not legal under the Constitution, it would appear you are the one with a bigoted worldview, unless you are saying the Constitution is a bigoted document. In which case I will be happy to contribute to your emigration expenses.
"don't forget that a large percentage of "God-fearing" Americans were in favor of slavery, segregation laws and laws banning inter-racial marriage." A huuuuggggeeee unproven assumption. I mean, can you prove this? Were you there to take a survey? And even if they were, so what? African Americans and other minorities were covered under the Constitution - same sex marriage is not!
"How does two gay men getting married affect you (or your marriage) in the slightest?"
1.How does a man marrying his mother affect my marriage? 2.How does a man marrying his daughter affect my marriage? 3.How does a man marrying his pet affect my marriage? How does a man marrying his video game girlfriend affect my marriage? 4.How does a man marrying another man and 3 women affect my marriage? Are you ready to legalize those relationships? I hope not b/c that would be ...truly disturbing...and creepy. Show me in the bible where Jesus endorsed same sex marriage. Book, chapter and verse.
Observation: You are obviously trying to use Saul Alinsky's community organizing rules. For example, Alinsky said:
"Goals must be phrased in general terms like "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," "Of the Common Welfare," "Pursuit of Happiness," or "Bread and Peace." (Oh yeah, you tried "Equality" thing with with Barbara.) And rule #12 (you tried that one too): "pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Nice try Joe. Didn't work.
@Barbara - did you feel targeted, frozen, personalized, and polarized? Hope not. Political progressives really get their kicks out of doing what Joe tried to do to you.

Obviously, same-sex marriage is legal under the Constitution, as Gay people can marry in several states...and basic morality and the Golden Rule demands that they should be able to do so in all states and territories and countries.

The Constitution was a racist document and racism was tightly woven into the warp and weave of the American fabric. Race is so embedded in American assumptions, that we don't really see them in our laws, zoning ordinances and such. But, that doesn't mean that they aren't still racist. There may quite well have been racist reasons why that freeway one drive on to get to work, is where it is.

Even my "minority majority" state, which long prided itself on being multicultural before the word was even used (at least outside the heavily "Southern" oriented area), had passed an embarrassing anti-Asian law in the 1920s.

The country, after it was somewhat unraveled with the Civil War, began to be rewoven with the Reconstruction era Constitutional amendments...which were then carefully ignored, subverted and sabotaged largely by "white" Protestant conservatives (and, of course, others), for another ninety years or so.

Given the reach and depth of Jim Crow...it's a safe assumption that a large percentage of "white" conservative Evangelical Americans (and others, of course), at the least, condoned racism. And, as with Christianity Today, it's safe to assume that a great many got all creeped out and creepy at the mere thought of "miscegenation."

Anti-interracial marriage laws were still being removed from state constitutions and law books up to this century. "Loving v. Virginia" was decided when I was a junior in high school. Slavery was legal under the Constitution when my Grandfather was born.

The Civil Rights movement was passive-aggressively opposed by Christianity Today. One CT founder, Dr. L. Nelson Bell, had required that everyone at his Southern Presbyterian Journal sign a pledge of "voluntary (racial) segregation," if memory serves, and that journal became a "forum for resistance against desegregation" in the early 1950s, I've read. (Southern White Fundamentalists and the Civil Rights Movement
by Julia Kirk Blackwelder; PHYLON, Vol. 40, No. 4, 1979)) Disgusting, as was his rather pagan-like dualist theology, which I recently reread in a 1963 CT issue.

Gay people are citizens, though obviously they do not feel themselves to be full citizens ("tolerance" is not "equality"), and until the religious right passes the anti-Gay Constitutional amendment that many apparently want (including CT, if memory serves. Hope I misremembered.), Gay people have the right to petition their governments and courts, at every level, for redress of their grievances, any and all grievances...as do you.

"The Constitution was a racist document and racism was tightly woven into the warp and weave of the American fabric." Thank you for confirming what I always thought you believed. Please post an address where we can donate to your emigration expenses.

"Gay people are citizens, though obviously they do not feel themselves to be full citizens ("tolerance" is not "equality"..." Those who practice beastiality and pedophilia are citizens, too. I wonder if they feel the same as homosexuals do? I bet they do. But do you think society should really care how they feel - much less legalize their perversion?

For those who might have thought the Manhattan Declaration was over-the-top alarmism and/or a hot-air bluff, you now see clearly what it is all about. As in Boston, it is sad that the DC Roman Catholic Charities has had to make this move, but it has shown integrity by taking this stand. RC’s, and all orthodox believers must take a stand everywhere, and not allow the ‘State’ to compel us to disobey our Lord.

Well as soon as the Roman Catholic church does something about its priests that molest young boys, they are the last organization to talk about objecting to anything

DC's Catholic Charities, apparently realizing that they've been paying salaries for years to people who don't all adhere to every last tenet of Catholic theology, has decided to require all their employees to promise they will not "violate the principles or tenets" of the church. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031203969.html?hpid=sec-religion

I wonder how many contraceptives, how many abortions, how many divorce settlements, how many gay relationships their salary money has supported over the years? But having to pay spousal benefits to gays (in order to collect government funding) is worth shutting down their programs over? Glad to see their priorities are in order.