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May 16, 2010

What Glenn Beck Told Liberty Graduates

Fox News commentator Glenn Beck received an honorary doctor of humanities degree from Liberty University yesterday before giving the commencement address to 8,650 students--the school's largest graduating class ever.

Beck, who attended one semester of college because he could not afford to finish, gave a faith-filled message, according to a recap on the school's website.

Beck, who is Mormon, said speaking at Liberty is “an endorsement of your faith. This is a time when we all need to come together. We may have differences, but we need to find those things that unite us.”

... Beck urged graduates not to underestimate the power of the atonement. When he was 13, his mother took her life. He said he nearly followed in her footsteps.

“As a man who needed the atonement … I read the promise. He will carry your burdens. I made Him a promise. You keep your word and I will keep mine,” he said. “He will never break his promise, and now it’s all up to me. [The atonement] is the most powerful thing you will ever encounter.”

The original story on Liberty's website did not note that Beck is a Mormon; however, Falwell noted in a statement that speakers have represented a diversity of religious beliefs.

“The baccalaureate ceremony always includes a gospel message brought by someone who is in complete theological alignment with the university,” Falwell said. “Commencement, however, has always featured leaders from all walks of life and all faiths who share the university’s social values and traditional family values. Commencement speakers have included representatives from the following faiths: Roman Catholicism, Judaism, mainline Protestant denominations such as the Episcopal Church, and even some speakers with no religious affiliation at all.”

Paige Patterson, the president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, gave the keynote address at the Baccalaureate Service on Friday. Yesterday, Beck read from his journal he originally wrote for his daughter.

“Your father loves you and so does your heavenly Father. … As long as we have today, we can change the world. … Marry for love, marry for laughs, but mostly importantly as my wife Tania taught me, marry for God. Without God, life’s storms are too strong to withstand. … Life is hard, and then it gets harder. Then you die. But every second of life is worth it. … Always forgive, but don’t forget so much that you put yourself in the same situation. … Freedom and rights are given to man by God, they are his, we are the guardians. … Read the Scriptures every day — they are alive. He speaks to you through them.”

Comments

Glenn Beck. Paige Patterson. I need not say more, do I? At least they seemed to be on their best behavior.

I am glad they had Glen Beck speak and I have found Mormons to be some of the best people around. Congrats to the Seniors for their accomplishments and courage to invite a good man.

I'm wondering if a Mormon, such as Beck, would be accepted at Liberty U. because of his doctrine.

His presentation has sermon elements. Beck spoke a lot of God which seems very presumptuous of the students accepting his faith.

I'm wondering if a Mormon, such as Beck, would be accepted at Liberty U. because of his doctrine.

His presentation has sermon elements. Beck spoke a lot of God which seems very presumptuous of the students accepting his faith.

Mark,

Beings this is a Christian school, and Beck is talking on basic Christian principles that encompass all Christian religions -- namely, the Atonement -- I find it odd that you would find it presumptuous that the students would accept what he has to say.

He did not single out any one religion, faith, nor bring into question anyone else's faith or religion. He simply related a basic Christian principle to his own life at a Christian school. Where is the presumptuous nature in that?

As C.S. Lewis pointed out, it is not for mortals to determine who is a Christian and who is not. I know of no scripture that defines why one group who confesses Jesus Christ to be Lord should be considered less Christian than another.

Those who call "Mormons" non-Christian should do some homework and actually discuss the issue with a Mormon. They will find much more in common than they think.

Amen Don! I have my own specific set of basic beliefs (7 basic as outlined in the Bible) but as far as the Bible says, salvation is the acceptance of Jesus for dying for your sins and eternal life by the grace of God -- to me, that is the basis of the Christian faith. That's all you need, if someone adds to that, if it works for them to honor God, so be it, it is not my place to judge. We are not cookie-cutter people and to think one religion would fit us all is the equivalent to putting God in a box, to me.

In truth, Latter-day Saints and Evangelicals have about 90% in comon theologically. Everyone focuses on a sliver of divergence. Beck was certainly within his own faith element with the remarks he made in this speech. Mormons are very Christ and Bible centered, they have just expanded that ancient tradition with a modern chapter that dovetails.

Don & Sid: The problem is that the Mormon faith teaches that both Jesus and Lucifer were brothers...this is not the Jesus of the Scriptures, but another Jesus...can this Jesus save you? If so, then what about the "good teacher" Jesus that the Muslim faith believes in...can this Jesus save you? It is not the wording of our faith, nor the amount of faith we have, but the object of our faith that matters.

I find it interesting that Scripture says that we "are saved by grace through faith and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast". The Book of Morman adds "after all we can do". They teach that salvation is by works. I.R.R. says "One must accept the Atonement, repent of one's sins, be baptized(in the LDS Church), receive the Holy Ghost (which only Mormans can do), and obey God's commandments (which include Morman rituals, notably getting married "for eternity" in an LDS temple,and a long list of other obligations). Only people who do these things can live in heaven with Heavenly Father and Mother and continue progressing toward the goal of becoming gods. In this sense, salvation is conditional-dependent on faithand works required in the Morman religion"

Strange that so many who call for the old ways on social issues are so willing to forfeit the old fashioned Gospel of salvation by grace through faith. My Bible does not say a thing abut abortion, for example, but it pronounces a curse on anyone who preaches any other Gospel, which Mormonism clearly does.I can only conclude these Beck supporters are more right wing than Christian.

Mormons only believe that we should strive to do everything in our power to make ourselves better people. Unlike what Dave said, we don't have to be perfect in this life (and complete everything in Dave's list) to be saved.

As Mormons, we believe that only through Christ's atonement can we be saved. None of us are perfect and we all need Him. And yes, Mormons believe that we are required to try to improve our lives while relying on Christ's help. It seems weird that by being required to try to be better (while relying on Christ for help) would disqualify Mormons from being Christian.

Mormons, as do all Christians, believe in salvation by covenant. We did nothing of ourselves to merit a covenant from God whereby we might be saved. We didn't earn it; we didn't deserve it. It is offered to us as an ultimate expression of God's love for his children. It is offered in grace. It is a covenant of grace. As with any covenant there are terms. For some the terms of the gospel covenant might be as simple as accepting Jesus. Others might view that the whole of Christ's teaching declares that the terms of the covenant require us to accept, repent, be baptized,obey & endure to the end. In either case the candidate for salvation must DO something in order to make the covenant effacious. As LDS we emphatically deny that we believe in salvation by works, but Christ's own words do indeed ask us to show our faith by keeping, albeit imperfectly, the terms of our covenant with Him. As LDS we sure get tired of be told what we "really" believe.
I think Beck's message is pretty clear. If we as people of faith don't unite in what we hold in common, especially as it pertains to the God granted rights and liberties of this nation, the secular progressive movement in the world around us will choke us, it will force us return to worshipping God in back rooms and basements - perhaps at the peril of our very lives. I for one will gladly lock arms with a protestant on my right arm and a Catholic on my left to fight this insidious, encroaching evil. Perhaps after the battle is over we can sit down and have a civil discussion about doctrine, but until then there is too much at stake and too much to do to waste time and energy in fruitless debate.

Jesus would not be having these discussions.."if Mormons are Christians or not". These are the kind of discussions that Pharisees loved to go on and on about.

If Mormon's teaching contradict Christianity what should we do? LOVE THEM and continue to tell them about Jesus.

There is a silent war against Christianity out there and this is not the time to divide ourselves but find a common ground.

Why no outcry from Fundamentalists about the heresy perpetrated by Beck? It's one thing to revere the U.S. Constitution, and I do revere it. But to elevate it to the status of having been God-inspired places it equal to the Bible. Considering our Constitution has been ammended several times, including to eliminate the horrible institution of slavery, God's Counsel would have to be considered mutable if the Constitution were, in fact, inspired by God. Where is the outcry??? The harlotry of idolatry, merging politics with religion, so that religion becomes the slave of a political ideology.

Glenn Beck is an entertainer. His concern is with ratings and money. As a newscaster, he is a charlatan. As a political figure, he is derranged. As a religious leader, he is a white-washed sepulchre full of dead men's bones. A propehtic voice is needed because God will separate the chaff from the wheat! Where is the outcry? Right-wing politics and fundamentalism has merged for economic reasons, but God is raising up people who seek His Face and refuse to align with any movement that depersonalizes others created in God's Image, oppress those less fortunate, and deceive, if possible, those who desire genuine morality.

Why are people so hateful? Why are there so many Christian denominations such as Episcopal, Lutheran, Methodists and Baptists? And why are there so many divisions within these denominations the ELCA, LCMS, American Baptists, Southern Baptists etc.? It seems that the only reason why there are so many different denominations is because of MAN MADE dogma! Each separate denomination claims that only THEY have the correct interpretation of the Bible and every other denomination interpretation is wrong! That is why there is so much hate between the denominations!

Doug, first of all, that is another lie constantly told by the mormons. There is no hate between these denominations, we are all Christians and will all be in heaven together. Whenever we move, and we're looking for a church, we know that these denominations all share the common essentials of the faith (which your cult does NOT).
They all believe in the Trinity, virgin birth, the atonement for ALL sins by Jesus on the cross, His resurrection, and that He is eternal God who existed before all things. All believe that we are justified (saved) by Jesus dying on the cross for our sins (not his suffering in the garden like you believe), and that by believing in Him as our Lord and Savior, we are saved. The churches of all these denominations will be together in heaven, we SHARE the SAME GOSPEL.

Joseph Smith received a different gospel, he believed the lie that satan told eve in the garden of eden, and your whole church is based on satan's lie. We never become gods like you hope you can someday. None of us believe that we will be "married" in heaven, and continually pro-create spirit babies like the mormons do. None of us believe that Jesus is the spirit brother of lucifer, or that we are, like you do. So, I know (and have done so) that I can attend a Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian, etc church and will hear the SAME gospel message that they all preach, we all share the same common beliefs.

Joseph Smith lied when he said he was told that "all of the churches are an abomination). And it's a lie that these churches hate each other. In fact, the pastors often meet with each other and share and fellowship.

These churches may only differ in how they are run, for instance, do they have a group of elders and the church is totally independent, or is there a synod, etc.

Now, let's talk about YOUR divisions in YOUR church, and the HATE these various groups have for each other. How do you explain the hate between these groups?
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (a.k.a. The Church of Jesus Christ, and the LDS)

The more liberal Community of Christ (formerly called the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints),

The Aaronic Order ,
The Apostolic United Brethren,
Church of Christ (Fetting/Bronson),
Church of Christ (Temple Lot) ,
The Church of Christ "With The Elijah Message,",
The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite),
United Order Effort,
The Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

"I made Him a promise. You keep your word and I will keep mine,” he said. “He will never break his promise, and now it’s all up to me"

Now it's up to him? I praise God that my salvation is totally, 100% up to God, not me. If our salvation was up to us, we would all perish. But, posters will continue arguing that Glenn's faith is scriptural. Nobody else see the big red flags here?

Frankly, I like the Mormon's view of the afterlife. It would be cool to become like my Heavenly Father. I love him and would love to follow in his footsteps.

Besides, my faith only teaches me that I will spend eternity signing praises. (Sounds kinda boring - what is the point?)

Oops. Singing praises - not signing praises. No offense to our hearing-impaired friends.

Surprised by the comments on here.

Contrary to what is being stated there are very big differences in theology between Mormons and Evangelicals, if by big we mean who Jesus is (is he God, or only like God), how we are saved as people (is it through faith in Jesus Christ alone alone or by acts of work?), what the afterlife is like (will we live in heaven, or on different planets with spiritual marriages), the relationship between works and faith (are works a testimony to our faith or a means of salvation), the role and canon of scripture (is the Bible alone authoritative or pronouncements on doctrine? Is the Bible 66 books, or 66 books and the book of Mormon and other books as well), etc. etc. etc.

Mormons are politically similar to Evangelicals, but not theologically. But that is why Beck was invited, isn't it. He is a conservative voice and Lib U. appreciated that more than his religious beliefs.

Brad,

Your version of Heaven is not at all like the picture in the scriptures.

Also, the Mormon iteration of being like "Our Heavenly Father" is actual deification. They believe that they will actually become gods, something the Bible makes clear is erroneous. There is only one God (Isaiah 44:6), and that is the Triune one of the Bible. We cannot become a deity, but can become more like it, and join into its community.

Liberty's choice of Beck was certainly bold and interesting. His success as a reactionary to the Obama administration reminds me of Limbaugh's with Clinton. And, like Limbaugh, his blend of political and social commentary is designed to be entertaining - even though to some it is infuriating.

He has a huge forum on Fox, and is a force to be reckoned with: for his adversaries for his views and popularity; and for his conservative fellow-travels for his tone and methods.

I imagine that many Evangelicals like me also find his Mormonism to be a bit off-putting. But, then again, my favorite president was Reagan, who apparently dabbled in astrology.

John:

To what end? What do we spend eternity doing? It needs to be something productive. God is the same today, yesterday and forever - he's not gonna just sit around after this earth is over.

Brad -

See Revelation 22:3-5. We will see God, serve Him, and reign. What will that actually entail in a moment-by-moment sense? Your guess is as good as mine, but it we won't just sit around singing the latest Tomlin and Hillsong choruses (not knocking them - I'm a worship leader and lean on them heavily).

Think about what those words imply: see, serve, and reign. That's what we'll be doing.

I think you're right-on that God isn't going to sit still. Who's to say that the Earth we know is the first world he's created and redeemed?

One could only predict that the responses to Beck's choice as keynote speaker to the Liberty Grads seems to be predictable. Maybe I cannot object too much because much of the cause of Liberty University is centered more around politics than theology. In this way Mormons and Evangelicals are perfect bedfellows.

Many of those who believe that Mormonism and Evangelical Christianity are very much alike have not done their homework. The LDS church strongly holds to the belief that it is the One True Church and that all others are apostates. This has been the belief of Mormons from its beginnings with Joseph Smith and this conviction remains to this day. This belief is evident in the very aggressive missionary efforts of the LDS. Those who believe otherwise can best be described as either nominal Mormons or those who have embraced a kind of an American civil religion that seeks to trump orthodoxy for politics.

JP:

Thanks for the thoughtful response. See, serve and reign sounds good.

So, how do you "reign" without authority? Over whom? Isn't that deification in a sense? Or are we just eternal "helpers" doing what we are told. (Again, sounds kinda boring. Maybe I'm not spiritually "there" yet)

And again, the mormons teach that God has created lots of earths before and will create lots more after. They seem to have a better grip on what goes on in the afterlife than "your guess is as good as mine."

Not trying to be a naysayer, but I feel that there has got to be a significantly higher purpose for mortality - cuz it can be so rough.

Brad, Satan's lie from the beginning of time has been "You will be like God." The idea being we can exalt ourselves to His level and be a god ourselves. The lie feeds our pride and pride is why Satan fell.

I don't know why Liberty chose whom they chose to speak. While I understand the pragmatism of building conservative coalitions, I'm reminded of the prophetic corrective in the Old Testament when Israel believed that political allegiances were "enough" to save them.

But we should remind ourselves of the historical record: Joseph Smith founded the LDS on the basis of "new revelation". This new revelation, however, came after a lengthy career of being a treasure-seeker in New England, and using "seeing stones" (divination) to find treasure. From a charismatic Christian point of view, therefore, the man was willfully exposing himself to demonic influence— all in the hope of the love of money.

We should not be surprised, therefore, that his "revelation" is a spiritually potent collection of both half-truths and falsehoods, woven to deceive vulnerable hearts and minds. The movement has the fingerprints of the Enemy and of his deception all over it, and Christians should think twice about giving it any lip-service, or free publicity.

Glenn Beck is a funny guy, and an entertaining commentator. I enjoy (and even own) one of his books. But (at the University level) let us be intellectual honest, and candid, about his movement. It has a semblance of Christianity, but it's toxic— like rat poison, it's 70 percent food and 30% soul-sucking poison.

Glenn Beck is a Christian like many others. Noone is perfect. We don't live in the Middle Ages now.

What if people talked about Martin Luther and his theology? Was Luther a Christian? He hated Catholics and especially the Pope, and he hated jews.

Or what about the Pope and the Catholics at that time? Were they Christians? They didn't like jews and protestants, and yes, they hated them. Then they all were cursing each other.

And Protestants do not agree with each other. Is it premill, pretrib or postmill? And how about women priests? How about baptism?

So please... Christians have not agreed in theological matters since Jesus died. Why not try to behave a little? Noone owns Jesus.

If someone says he is a Christian... accept him as a brother. We are not supposed to judge anyone.

Someone posted "my Bible does'nt say anything
about abortion."
Take a look at Jeremiah 1:5

If anyone preaches another gospel to you let him be accursed. The book of Mormon by itself is pretty close to the bible, there's a few copy errors because its basically a poorly made copy of the bible.

Mormons who read their bible might accidentally be saved, im sure it happens, but basically the heresies in the other books mormons read will keep them out of heaven unless God intervenes.

@ Jam.....you're correct when you say we are not to judge anyone...Are you referring to scriptures that tell us "Do not judge lest ye be judged. ?? If yes, it is important to know that these scriptures are talking about judging the condition of someone's soul. As humans we are unable to know who is a Christian and who is not.

Furthermore, Christians are told it is not their job to know this....Jesus will return and judge the hearts of man. Scripture says in I Corinthians 4:5, "Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God." King James Version of the Bible (KJV).

However, we ARE told to be discerning! Scripture says in II Corinthians 11:3&4 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." KJV

There are already good FACTS posted here on historical beliefs of the Mormon church, so I won't go into that here. It is wise and necessary to know where any sect is coming from to be able to understand how they define the terms Christianity has used for centuries. They ABSOLUTELY DO NOT define terms the same.

Christians are told that they can evaluate the Truth in another person, or sect, by their "fruit." Scripture says, in Matthew 7:16-23; "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." KJV

In understanding the impact of incorrectly defining terms..... Scripture tells us in Luke 6:45-56; "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" KJV

Finally, it is imperative that humankind understand that this issue is not about a DIFFERENCE OF HUMAN OPINION. It is about TRUTH verses THE LIE!!! I'm not talking about the person....I am talking about the sect of Mormonism and what they have historically taught.

Understanding that Joseph Smith claimed to have seen an angel.....Scripture says in Galatians 1:6-12; "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." KJV

It was stated above that anyone who has access to The Bible CAN end up realizing who the True God is. The Mormon church has historically accepted the King James Version of The Bible as God Word to man. So, there is a chance. But to say that Mormonism is the same as Christianity....or only has a few differences is SIMPLY NOT TRUE!!!!

There are also fundamental doctrinal differences between Christian and Catholic beliefs, and Christian and Jewish beliefs, and many others. The ONLY way to understand these differences is to study the TRUTH of The Bible and then research each different religious sect....measuring them by The Truth of The Bible and Christianity, being sure to keep true to the fundamentals of Bible study and context.

To believe that all roads ultimately lead to God is AGAINST Scripture, AGAINST what God said!!!! It is NOT truth!!!! Scripture says in Matthew 7:13-14;Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." KJV

I totally support Glenn Beck's efforts to remind Americans of the truth of our history, but it is painfully obvious that awarding him a Doctorate from a Christian University and asking him to speak...has muddied the waters with regard to his personal religious beliefs. I pray that anyone who reads these posts would "go in wisdom" and SEEK THE ONE TRUE GOD of the Holy Scriptures....not the god of ANY religious sect!!!

Make no mistake fellow Christians Mormonism is not Christianity. It is another gospel exactly like those Paul warned us about in Galatians 1:6. Mormonism has changed many times over the years, each time in an attempt to become more ecumenical. Mormonism teaches that it has additional scriptures (Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price) that hold the same validity of the Bible itself. The fact is these books are laughable in their historical accuracy with the Pearl of Great Price being the most damaging of all. It is derived from an ancient Egyptian burial script and not from the hand of Abraham as was professed by Joseph Smith. Mormons really have to check their brain at the door to get past these facts but, sadly many still choose to do so. Of greatest concern to us as Christians should be their view of Christ atonement. They believe that Christ blood is a ransom for us "after all that we can do" leaving Mormons trying to dot every I and cross every T in order to make it to the Celestial Kingdom. Mankind will never be good enough to attain salvation by our own merit and true Christians serve Christ out of being in a covenant relationship with him, through great love for him, and not seeking to obtain merit. Some of the early converts of Galatia fell into the same trap. They were told (by another false religion) it's okay to believe in Jesus we just want you to do this one thing (the act of circumcision). Paul warned them that if they do this thing thinking it will add to their salvation Christ is of no effect to them. Mormons are good people of whom I have many friends but, we do them a great injustice by trying ourselves be ecumenical instead of honest. Fortunately many Mormons are leaving this false religion and finding true salvation in the Christ of the Bible. You can hear their story on websites like outofmormonism.com. On a final note if you would like to see how Mormonism has changed I have included some quotes from their early "apostles" and "prophets" reflecting their view of orthodox Christians.

“My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.”
“I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: ‘they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.’”
“He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, ‘Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.’ I then said to my mother, ‘I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.’ It seems as though the adversary was aware, at a very early period of my life, that I was destined to prove a disturber and an annoyer of his kingdom; else why should the powers of darkness combine against me?

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Joseph Smith–History, v. 1, pp. 8–26

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60

“Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v. 1, p. xl

"Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176

"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 199

"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God"

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 171


"Christians—those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers' sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. ...You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize your face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest.

- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 89

"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 167

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

"For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the ‘Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men."

- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, v. 3, p. 282

"This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth..."

- Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 164-165

It wasn't until recently (probably) around 1990 or so that the LDS church felt the desire to become more ecumenical with Orthodox Christianity. As a matter of fact, the temple ceremony (pre-1990) had an actor play the part of an Orthodox minister who acted as a pawn of Satan. His job was to preach a false religion and lead people to follow a false gospel. Prior to this change, Mormon leaders would have taken offense to someone calling their beliefs "Christian" and affiliating them with Orthodox Christianity. I have added some quotes from early "Prophets" and "Apostles" to help illustrate.

These blogs crack me up, I am not normally one to post but i just couldn't help it here. I was looking to find Beck's speech somewhere, as I wanted to read what he spoke to the Liberty Graduates. I recently began attending Liberty as a religion major (transfered from a secular school) because I wanted to attend a school with grounded doctrine. The announcement to have Beck speak made me nervous. However Falwell mentioned that they have an evangelical, who shares the students faith preach a gospel message before Beck spoke. So, it seems to me that the school does put the gospel first and politics second.

Now, the age old LDS vs. Christian debate. These always get heated, and it seems impossible for anyone to add much more to the same old regurgitated facts and comparison. However, on the mention of facts, I think in the interest of the old argument that both sides should lay aside "religion" and look at facts. The first page of the BoM says it is "a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible." Well the bible, (which LD Saints believe in "so long as it is translated properly") has been supported with countless amounts of external evidence archaeologically, historically, etc... Look into the BoM, I challenge everyone to do this, find the facts, the cities, the documents, we know God does not lie, he is truth and light, therefore if the BoM is true, there must be some supporting evidence to its claims. Lastly, LD Saints acknowledge that the BoM is the "Keystone" to their faith, and that if one struggles to believe it to follow their hearts, (this is all just in the introduction). The Keystone, if true will be supported with external data, just as Gods word is, additionally, God warns us about following our hearts in Numbers 15:39 "...not to follow after your own heart and your own eyes, which you are inclined to whore after." Complete a word study on heart in the Bible, you will find mens hearts are corrupt and evil.

I hope I didn't add to the bitterness that can be read in this blog, I just want to challenge everyone, Mormon and Christian alike, do some homework, some in depth research, educate yourselves and get on your faces before God, he will point out the glaringly obvious truth.

"Have nothing to do with foolish ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will." 2 Tim 23-26

Oops forgot the whole reference 2 Tim 2:23-26

Good job JJamison!

In the New Testament kjv in St John 10: When Christ was about to be stoned he asked the crowd "...many good works have I shewed you from my Father ; for which of those works do ye stone me?"
The Jews answered him, saying,For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are Gods?"

This answers once and for all the question of the potential of man to become like Heavenly Father; Sons and Daughters of God. It was written in the New Testament. It is a direct quote from the Savior. It was a reminder to the Jews of their own law and said in a way that implies that it was common knowledge. I believe that the scriptures are true. I believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God and the second member of the Godhead. I believe ALL his words and if he said it was so then it is true. The cool thing about the scriptures is that it answers all such question definitively but only if you care enough to read and study them yourself and pray for confirmation that they are true.


The question of our potential as sons and daughters of our Heavenly Father becoming like him is a important one because it answers who we are, why we are here and what we have the potential of becoming. Questions that have haunted mankind from the beginning. Like all crucial questions one finds the answer in the scriptures. In the New Testament kjv in the book of St John 10: 31-34 it reads: "Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed your from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him saying, For a good work we stone thee not: but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law that I said, Ye are Gods?"
I believe this is true for 3 reasons.
1. It is written in the scriptures and I believe the Bible is true.
2. Most important of all the Savior said it. Jesus reminded them it was in their law and said it in such a way as to infer it was common knowledge.
3. Like all things of such importance I prayed to Heavenly Father to give me confirmation that it was indeed true.
Therefore its authenticity is confirmed by scripture, the Savior, the Law and by Heavenly Father. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

Just a thought, not meant to antagonize, but the verse referenced by barbara has an error. "The Jews answered him saying, for a good work we stone thee not: but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law that I said, Ye are Gods?" Gods at the end should not be capitalized. The lower case g does make a difference in meaning. (Jesus was referencing Psalm 82:6 in this passage. I thought you might want to read this Psalm. There is an interesting comment being made about "gods".) I really want to thank you barbara for the reminder to always check scripture references, read whole passages and ask God to reveal truth.

In doing some research on Glenn Beck I was led to this site. That being said, I am truly astonished that some here who call themselves Christian feel they cannot judge what comes out of another human being's mouth. Glenn Beck is a mormon-Mormonism preaches another gospel and another Jesus. The Apostle Paul, in Galations 1:6-9, pronounces a curse on those who preach another gospel.