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August 20, 2010

Franklin Graham: Obama born a Muslim, a Christian Now

Franklin Graham told CNN's John King that President Obama's family background is creating the perception that Obama is a Muslim.

"I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim, his father was a Muslim. The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was born a Muslim, his father gave him an Islamic name," Graham said on CNN's "John King, USA."

"Now it's obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed and he has renounced Islam and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That is what he says he has done, I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said," Graham continued.

This is what Obama wrote for Time in 2006 about his father's religious background.

My father was almost entirely absent from my childhood, having been divorced from my mother when I was 2 years old; in any event, although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist, thinking religion to be so much superstition.

CNN says it will fact check Rev. Franklin Graham's interview tonight and include comments from his opposition. A partial video is available below.

CNN analyst Roland Martin posted a few more quotes from Graham on his twitter feed:

"I wish the president, over the years, had had a chance to be involved in a real, strong Bible-teaching church."
"I don't think the Rev. Jeremiah's church was a place where he got a grounded in God's Word.
"It would have been better for him to get into a good evangelical church."

Martin thought Graham's view that Trinity under Jeremiah Wright was not Bible-believing was "amazing."

"Frankly, I'd rather hear from Anne Graham Lotz on this issue than her brother, Franklin Graham!" he wrote. "Truth be told, Anne Graham Lotz is a far stronger preacher and teacher than her brother ever will be! That's a preaching woman."

Tobin Grant has more on the Pew Forum poll that suggests that more Americans believe Obama is a Muslim than they previously did while the percentage of those who think he is a Christian has dropped.

Comments

I think that what some Christians would like to know is a bit more about the conversion experience...time, place, circumstances in which this man, who has shown himself to be devious and deceptive as he has broken many campaign promises, actually became a believer.
What was the trajectory that took him from being the son and stepson of two Muslim men and an atheist mother; from being a young man who was mentored by some serious non believers ( William Ayers, for example); from being a long time member of a church that preaches a hateful, non Christian, Black Liberation theology to his point of repentance and acceptance of Jesus Christ as his God.
Where?
When?
How?

According to Islam, a child born to a Muslim man is a Muslim and belongs to the father. The mother has no rights in regard to the child. In many Muslim countries of the world today, it is illegal, usually impossible in reality, to change one's identity from being a Muslim to any other faith. This is the background of what Franklin Graham is saying.

What Paige said is correct. Mr. Graham is speaking as Islam understands one's religious standing, not from a North American / Christian understanding.

Franklin Graham was not born a Christian because of his father's (Billy Graham) beliefs and President Obama was not born a Muslim because of his father's beliefs. According to God's Word, both men were born sinners because of Adam! All have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23)! Jesus Christ came to reconcile mankind to Himself. Franklin Graham of all people should know this. Both Franklin Graham and President Obama had to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior to say that they are Christians according to the Word of God. Franklin Graham's theology is skewed or else he has a deeper "heart" issue (racism runs deep) going on! Franklin needs to get a Holy Ghost heart transplant! At the end of the day, Franklin, God loves President Obama just as much as He loves you! Mr. Franklin needs to confess to God how he really feel about President Obama (God already knows), God will forgive him! Mr. Graham can’t continue to use scriptures to justify his own personal biases/prejudice! Mr. Franklin will be much more effective in the ministry if he comes clean with the Lord. After all, God alone knows our hearts and our motives and those deep secrets lurking within!

Did we forget the words by Obamah with Rick Warren "I am a Christian. That was before he was in office .After being elected his words were, "We are no longer a Christian Nation.”
(CNSNews.com) - Georgetown University says it covered over the monogram “IHS”--symbolizing the name of Jesus Christ—because it was inscribed on a pediment on the stage where President Obama spoke at the university on Tuesday and the White House had asked Georgetown to cover up all signs and symbols there. Have we also forgotten that our president would not attend the "National Day of Prayer."
Jesus himself said if you deny me before men I will deny you before my Father in Heaven.
Was it Obama that attended the Islamic Holy month of Ramadan saying they have a right to build a place of worship on private property in lower Manhattan? Was it not also Obama that said, "I have no regrets" in making that statement. Well I don't know how anyone who has accepted Jesus has Lord and Savior both profess and deny him at the same time. Has much has I too would hope he was a Christian things are just not adding up here for me.

On a video, obama admits to being born in Kenya-eg. he is NOT even eligible to be president. He cannot produce a clear U.S. birth certificate, and has used a foreign passport-again, not a U.S. Citizen.He and his cabinet should be impeached immediately. Next, he was photographed taking off his shoes to kneel with a group of muslims to pray, and news reports indicate his having the Christian cross covered at Georgetown U. for a speech he made there. Does not sound Christian to me. And if he is ashamed to declare his faith openly and practice it openly, is he ashamed of Christ? Many feel obama is the antichrist and will confirm a 7 year peace treaty with Israel and her adversaries. Watch and see. We are closer to the rapture and second coming of Christ each day.Time to discern the times we are in and look up, for our redemption draws near.

One more comment-Believers stand on the Word of God, and seek to do the will of God. I do not believe God is for abortion-the shedding of innocent blood and obama promotes it. God says homosexuality is an abomination, and obama states over and over that he will continue to push for/fight for "rights" for what God calls an abomination and sin. In what way does obama even try to follow God's Word? I cannot see any example of his following Christ. A tree is known by its fruit-what it bears comes from what it is-so with people. As Christians we are called to discern, seek wisdom from God and yes, we are called to love and to pray for our leaders. Our nation needs to repent, as II Chronicles 7:14 says, and seek God's face and turn from our wicked ways. Then God will hear from heaven and heal our land. I have heard many people express that they think obama is a punishment for the sins of this nation. It is sad to see our nation in such decline for so long, and the nation being punished by having obama and his cabinet in office-leading the way, legislating in favor of what God calls sin. We need to be in prayer, to follow the words of II Chronicles 7:14. We need to pray in line with the Word of God that God will turn the heart of our nation's leaders to Him. What a difference between George Bush's openness about his faith in Christ and obama's fearful,less than half-hearted profession that he is a Christian. Jesus said that in that day, they will say "Lord,Lord" and that God will say, "I never knew you." Not all who say they are Christian ARE Christian. I hope that obama will begin to lead in line with God's Word. Christians need to fast and pray, as God leads us to do so, for our nation to become a Godly nation, following Christ.

I also think that Roland Martin's comments are amazing considering he did a great job of explaining and defending Rev Wright's total sermons from which a few clips were extracted. Martin included the audio for the complete sermons. I seriously doubt very many people ever listened to the entire sermons.

I am not reading any of Obama's books --but not because I am too "lazy" (My Kindle is full and I use it).
I am not reading Obama's books because I have seen and heard enough from this man who promised us the most "transparent government in history" yet slammed the door and bolted it from the inside as he and his crooked cronies singlehandedly rammed through legislation that the majority of U.S. citizens do not want and cannot afford.
This is the man who gave us the Cornhuskers Kickback and a newer version of the Louisiana Purchase as he bought off and paid off politicians to vote for his graft and corruption filled bills.
This man--- who has brought this country to a place where present and future generations are and will continue to be saddled with TRILLIONS of dollars of debt borrowed from the Chinese and the Japanese who now OWN us!
Google exactly what a Trillion of anything is.
A Trillion seconds equals something like 36,000 YEARS!
That's only one trillion.
We are now in debt for over THIRTEEN TRILLION dollars!
That number will double in 5 years; it will triple in ten years.
This man is a liar and a deceiver. He has nothing to say that I want to read or hear because it is all lies.
I actually don't care what his religion is. I know all I want to know about this person.

I think Franklin Graham made some very important comments about Obama and his faith.

"I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim, his father was a Muslim. The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was born a Muslim, his father gave him an Islamic name," Graham said on CNN's "John King, USA."

"Now it's obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed and he has renounced Islam and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That is what he says he has done, I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said," Graham continued.

It is hard to determine Obama's faith until he has convinced many Christians in the United States that he is truly a Christian. Franklin Graham is not saying he is convince that Obama is a Christian, he is ONLY trusting that Obama is a Christian because he SAYS he is. We will know in good time.

The Obamas have stated publicly that they do not give their children gifts on Christmas day.... saying it is because they do not want their children to be reared with a sense that they are entitled to material luxuries. However, during these hard economic times they jet around the world on private, government owned, luxury jets to lavish vacation spots in Spain, traveling like a bunch of rock stars, hanging out with the rich and famous at Martha's Vineyard. My POINT being, the duplicitousness of not observing Christmas because of some bogus, trumped up reasons about "values" meanwhile teaching their children through example and lifestyle that lavish living is, actually, OK.
So. WHY do the Obamas not celebrate Christmas? It certainly is not because of the reasons they have given.
Hmmmm. Maybe it's because......oh never mind. You figure it out.


Ever notice the amazing coincidence that those who profess to know exactly what God likes and does not like, who God loves and does not love also personally believe the same things?.
By the way, Arabic speaking Christians (and yes, there are such people) pray to Allah - arabic for God

Marigold says "So. "WHY do the Obamas not celebrate Christmas? It certainly is not because of the reasons they have given.
Hmmmm. Maybe it's because......oh never mind. You figure it out."

Jewish??? That's about as sensible an answer as you are trying to imply. You do realize that the nativity story is in the Koran!! Ah well ignorance is bliss and it certainly exists on this comment thread. God himself wouldn't convince some of the folks here of President Obama's Christian faith far less his birth certificate!

Franklin Graham has effectively "called out" Obama in this piece by saying that he (Obama) has renounced Mohamad and accepted Jesus Christ. That alone puts Obama on the defense because all the Muslims in the world who think Obama is a Muslim have to ask themselves if this is true, which in itself is a slap in the face of Islam. To denounce the great Mohamad as a nobody! On the other hand, anybody can utter the words "I am a Christian", but a TRUE Christian will stand vertical and say proudly that he or she has a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST JESUS AND MEAN IT! I have yet to hear President Obama say that or for that matter, see him display it!

A Quote from the article---

"The difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that if people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior, they're going to hell."

Obama doesn't believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell.

But he's not sure if he'll be going to heaven, either.

"I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die," he says. "When I tuck in my daughters at night, and I feel like I've been a good father to them, and I see in them that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they're kind people and that they're honest people, and they're curious people, that's a little piece of heaven."

John 3:16 --- how could he not GET that if he is a Christian? I think he is a "practicing" Christian to some degree, but hasn't had the 'surrender' experience, nor the repentance yet.

If America as many assert these days is not a Christian nation, pray tell why in the world woul the Supreme Court in the 1790s and 1890s declared in decisions that this country was and is Christian? Were the judges ignorant? If two professors from Houston a few years ago found upon invesigation that our nation's founding documents had their source in the Bible by double digits (about 34%) and two political philosophers by single digits(Locke and Montesquieu, 9/8% or 8/7%, respectfully), then how did we get this idea that America is a secular nation with no rights of its Christian founders and supporters to express their views?

If he is a Christian, he hasn't been showing any signs of it.

Matthew 7:16

Your take on the bible about President Obama's Christianity is Biblically wrong.
We are all born sinner lost until we are born again.
Even if your father was a Christian that doesen't make you one. Again you must be Born Again and that is only by the grace of God not your works.
You statemend about Moslems and President Obama feeds the bigots and hate mongers.
How can we bring the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the Moslem world when you as a so called Christian minister call Moslems evil.
We should be telling the world of the love of Christ and his desire to save us not condem us.

Our President has prayed through and confessed his faith. Those who listen to the hate-mongers will doubt him. Those who love the Lord will bear witness with our President's testimony. Issues: On the deficit: Repub's want to keep the tax cuts for the richest and suppress the minimum wage for the working poor, Give to the rich!! What would Jesus do? Healthcare: Repubs want to deny healthcare to our fellow Americans, WWJD? (hint:good Samaritan) Abortion: Think, how would the Repubs keep the Christian vote if abortion was no longer an issue? 8 yrs w/Bush and still legal, do the Repubs really want to overturn roe v wade? In my state and others it would still be legal if it is overturned on the nat'l level. Repubs use you to keep the rich in power. WWJD? You who listen to Fox and Beck are the deceived. You can criticize, I will love and Pray for Our President. WWJD?

The question is: why so much speculation about Obama's faith, when there seems to have been so little about past Republican presidents. Reagen would have barely passed muster ...
Could it just be that white conservative America is not ready yet for a president who is not one of them?

I think this story was largely created by media. My understanding is that there was a poll taken during the presidential campaign and then again just recently, with the question, ‘do you think BO is a Muslim’. Apparently the % of those who said ‘yes’ has gone up, leading of course to all sorts of speculation as to why this result. My analysis of the result is this: it is embarrassing.

Since BO has openly and consistently professed his Christian faith; and he belonged to a Christian congregation in Chicago for years, there just doesn’t seem to be a controversy here. So, what to make of the poll? Sad to say, the ‘yes’ respondents are either 1. not too bright; or 2. think that BO is some sort of ‘secret’ Muslim (which plays nicely into silly conspiracy theories).

While Graham was no doubt just trying to be helpful, he would have been wise not to comment on a story that is not a story, created by people paid to create stories, fueled by people who are ignorant or worse.

And as some comments have alluded, Christian wisdom demands that we not place too high a value on mere ‘profession’ of faith anyway, since all people are only truly known by - and will ultimately judged by - what we DO for Christ.

Obama has said he is Christian. So that should settle it, right?

Why? Does not the Scriptures tell us that not all who claim the Lord belong to Him. "The fool says in his heart 'there is no God'". Notice that the fool doesn't say it out loud. He is a fool, not an idiot. He wants people to think he believes. Perhaps he even convinces himself. But the truth lies in what flows from his heart, and this is generally seen in his actions.

Why can we not, why should we not expect to see outward confirmation of what people claim is their faith? If they believe it will be shown in their fruit.

What is the fruit of Obama's faith? How does a Christian speak of religious people as he does when he disparaged them for "clinging to God"? Would a true believer in any religion speak this way?

Is it cynical to doubt the religious sincerity of others until they proove themselves genuine? I don't think so. James seems to indicate that mere professiuon is not enough. And when the appearance of faith can be advantageous we should be more careful not to take it for granted that a convenient profession is not made for mere expediency. And this should especially hold true for politicians. Test their faith. Look for some signs that it is real.

What are the signs that Obama's faith is anything more than a political position? I can't see anything. He doesn't seem to respect Christianity enough even to bother to pretend to be very religious, as if a mere sop to the faithful should be enough.

What do I think his religion is? Frankly, all his actions and his descriptions of his belief indicate a secular faith in which Jesus is a mere historical figure interpreted through rather liberal political lenses. I don't think he really believes in a transcendent God. He certainly isn't a Muslim in his beliefs, but neither is he remotely Christian if we are to judge by how his "faith" is expressed both in words and deeds.

To be honest, I'm not sure I even want my President to be perfect in his religious beliefs, lest we be tempted to look at him as a religious leader. I don't care that much how imperfect or unorthodox are his beliefs about God, AS LONG AS HE HAS SOME. If he truly doesn't believe in a God who can judge his actions and punish him then I definitely don't want him in office.

When a ruler doesn't believe in God he will be naturally arroagnt. And when he doesn't even think he should hide his lack of faith or promote a better faith than he had, Like Jefferson did, then he will become less and less tolerant of those who continue to espouse a belief that his is not the last word because there is someone over him.

Ronald Reagan claimed to be Christian, though he seldom went to church. I do not remember anyone wanting to know the basis of his claim. Mr Obama also claims to be Christian and has spoken much more explicitly about his faith (reference the Easter prayer breakfast talk, for instance)that any previous recent president except Jimmy Carter and G.W. Bush. So why the questions?

@Austin and others who believe Obama is a Christian because he says so: let's say Osama Bin Laden (or whoever is currently running Al Qaeda if Bin Laden is dead) announced he was a Christian and began talking about his supposed faith. However, he still continued to plan suicide bombings and other attacks. According to your logic, he would be a true Christian, despite his actions that proclaim the exact opposite. Think about that for a minute.

Also, as others such as Christopher have said or alluded to, and as I attempted to point out, it says in multiple places in the Bible that we can tell if someone is a true follower of Christ by his or her fruits. For example:

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

-Matthew 7:16-18, 20

In other words, you look at the person's actions, not just their words. There's been a lot of men and women that can "talk the talk," but fewer who actually "walk the walk."

Here's a question: what do you do with, "Jesus said to them, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?".
The local church in this country has its work cut out for it looking after the poor, widow, orphan and alien -- a clear mission statement. Once we are on top of that, we can worry about someone else's personal righteousness. Until then ...

There is a difference between recognizing the reality of things and acting as judge in condemnation of them. Judging the integrity of another's faith is entirely different from judging him as if we were punishers of sin. Jesus did not call us to be foolish but wise as serpents. Paul admonished us to stay clear of false teachers, and one cannot do that without making a judgment as to who are the false teachers and who are the true ones. We are called to inspect the fruit and eat only the good fruit. We are not called to cut down the trees bearing bad fruit. God will do that.

If a person is deceived into thinking his actions are blessed by God charity demands that we correct him so that he may mend his ways and avoid God's wrath. This is not judgment in the final sense.

It is interesting that you left out of the mission statement the clear mission to proclaim Christ and make disciples. One cannot do that if we are blase about the parameters of the faith. How can we proclaim what we are unclear in affirming? If what Obama calls his faith is accepted as Christian how can we with integrity call anyone to a better faith? And if his faith does not save we have sinned against God and all the world by not making that clear.

I think we need to stop worrying about the president religious status and focus on our own. I think we as christian are to involved with irrelevant topics,that really only God knows and God can answer. God is the only one who truly knows president Obama heart,he did give himself that name his father gave it to him,I believe we as christian need to examine ourselves and stop trying to be God and be waht God told us to be, which is to "Be Holy for I AM Holy."

Anyone can "say" he is a Christian, but where is the fruit? Is there evidence of an indwelling Holy Spirit in Obama? I'm afraid I haven't seen it. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the lifer, and no one comes to the father, but by me..." A true Christian subscribes to the exclusivity of Jesus Christ... Hell is well populated by professing Christians who never fully embrace God's truth: 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

We have had other presidents whose actions did not necessarily reflect a walk with God, former President Clinton being a prime example. However, what we have not had, is a president who addressed the Muslim world by traveling to Egypt and giving a speech in Arabic, relating that his family are Muslim, before ever addressing the American public, who he is elected to represent. Second, we have never had a president who openly says in his speeches we are one nation under god, even though God may a different God to different people, we are still one nation. These type of statements lead people to believe he is Muslim, but I diaagree. I believe Obama is walking a tight rope not to offend anyone, and utilizing christianity when convenient, and muslim associations when convenient, but does not identify personally or spiritually with either one. Like so many in our society, church is sometimes valued only for its social networking, and in his case political advancement. I don't think either one hold any more merit in his life than that. The secular world believes there are many roads to God, and I believe Obama is of that mindset.

One other thing, Mr. Graham's statements when speaking about the Muslim world were fact. Obama whenever he returns to the middle east will be forever considered a muslim because his father was a Muslim, as such he is subject to Sharria law when returns there, and in their eyes has a duty to uphold it in the United States as well. Being a Muslim in their eyes does not stop at the American border. Don't forget Sharia simply means "law." And that law is based in the rules and expectations of being a muslim. Lets also remember it is illegal in the middle-east to convert someone from being a muslim to a christian. So, if someone whose father was a muslim, were to openly admit conversion to Christianity would they be as openly accepted in that region of the world as a Christian??? Very doubtful.

I can't believe that when a man says he's a Christian, over and over and over again, fellow Christians don't or won't accept it, all because of political, not spiritual, reasons. Shame on us all! After all, wasn't Jesus' criteria for the most identifiable aspect of believers was; "By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." Where is our love brethren?