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February 21, 2012

Franklin Graham, Rick Santorum Bring Up Obama's Faith

Graham: 'He has said he’s a Christian, so I just have to assume that he is.'

Franklin Graham has again stirred some backlash over comments about President Obama's faith.

Asked about whether Obama had “accepted Jesus Christ,” Graham said, “I don’t know.”

“You have to ask him. I cannot answer that question for anybody. All I know is I’m a sinner, and God has forgiven me of my sins," said Graham, who is the son of Billy Graham and the CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. "You have to ask every person. He has said he’s a Christian, so I just have to assume that he is.”

When asked if he believes former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum is a Christian, Graham said, "I think so" on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "His values are so clear on moral issues. No question about it... I think he's a man of faith." On former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, “Most Christians would not recognize Mormons as part of the Christian faith,” Graham said. Separate from questions about his faith, Graham said, “He would be a good president… He’s a sharp guy.” On former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, he said, "I think Newt is a Christian. At least he told me he is."

Graham spoke with CT last year about his views of Obama's faith. In 2010, he suggested Obama was born a Muslim because of his father's faith.

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that President Obama has not brought up the questions about his faith.

"I did meet with the president this morning and amazingly he didn't bring this up," Carney said. "He firmly believes that getting an extra $40 in every paycheck is of vastly greater significance to most Americans than someone's opinion expressed on cable television about his personal faith, which again, he has spoken about as explicitly as a few weeks ago," Carney said, referring to Obama's remarks at the National Prayer Breakfast.

Santorum said earlier that Obama is guided by "some phony ideal, some phony theology." His choice of words echoed Eric Metaxas's address at the National Prayer Breakfast who decried general "phony religiosity." Santorum said later that he was talking about Obama's connection to environmentalism.

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The problem with this country is not in the president,its in the heart of the people that live in this country. Her 17:9

"Asked about whether Obama had “accepted Jesus Christ,” Graham said, “I don’t know.”

And

“You have to ask him. I cannot answer that question for anybody. All I know is I’m a sinner, and God has forgiven me of my sins," said Graham, who is the son of Billy Graham and the CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. "You have to ask every person. He has said he’s a Christian, so I just have to assume that he is.”

Law of inverse proportionality

Asked whether Franklin Graham had "accepted Jesus Christ," Sheerahkahn said, "I don't know." ad nauseum.

I'm rather tired of Moralists masquerading as "Religious" leaders with the appellation of "Christian" attached to their name speaking as if they're sole source authorities on what and whom can be considered Christian.

Graham and Santorum have every right, under the "abriodgement" clause of the First Amendment to say what they said. Their right to say it is not the issue.

However, their remarks are deeply un-American, in that they presume to set themselves up above the US Constitution, which says in Article VI, para. 3:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

Quite candidly, I trust the wisdom of James Madison and the Framers far more than I trust Graham's and Santorum's self-righteous, arrogant bluster. If those 2 had their way, the US would be transformed into a theocracy instead of a republic, and the Constitution would be shredded.

You really should pick up a Bible and read it to get a better idea of what Jesus may have said or not. Jesus had a lot of hatred directed at Him also, especially when He said things like this:

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:4

Jesus ALSO said: But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Matt 3:7

"You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart." Matt 12:34

"You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?" Matt 23:33

"So he began saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, “ You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" Luke 3:7

It's funny how the people filled with hate towards Christians, call Christians bigoted and hate-filled, they should perhaps look in a mirror. Why do non-Christians read these blogs and criticize people who are agreeing with Jesus, the center of our faith?

When Jesus used those harsh words to the scribes and pharisees it was because they were doing exactly what Mr. Graham, Mr. Santorum, and many others who constantly criticize others are doing. The harsh words of Jesus were directed against those who set themselves up to make rules and cast aspersions on other people, just as so many of the present day so-called "social conservatives" specialize in doing. In these episodes, the church is displayed before the watching world and they just wonder what program these so-called christians are promoting, and wonder if this is representative of the one they claim to be following. A simple reading of the bible would lead one to raise more questions about those making the outrageous statements than those who they criticize.

Interestingly, whenever Jesus was asked political questions about the Romans - who were occupying his country, remember - he avoided the topic altogether. Presumably this was because his focus was on higher things and he didn't want to alienate people from the faith who might have different political views.

Perhaps Franklin Graham knows something Christ didn't. Or alternatively, perhaps he's got his priorities all messed up.

The New Testament is full of verses about how to treat people and about the way people should talk about and to others.

Franklin Graham has repeatedly tried to make people think President Obama is a Muslim. In 2001, Franklin said Island is an evil and wicked religion that does not belong in the US, which caused the Pentagon concern about retaliation from extremist.

Because of his father, Franklin has considerable influence over some Christians. It is very sad that he is teaching hate rather than love as Jesus taught.

I know this is difficult for the 21st century evangelical Christian to get his arms around, but if a person is baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, he or she is a Christian. Just ask any Muslim.

He or she may not be a good Christian. They might not be a believing Christian. They may not be a saved Christian. But they are a Christian. They have been baptized into the Church, the Body of Christ on earth.

There is, indeed, a place for judgment as to whether or not a particular baptized Christian is faithful to God and the manner of life to which Christian's are called, but always with a view to the log in one's own eye.

Dear Linda, show me in the scriptures where it affirms your statement that baptism makes one a Christian. It does NOT. Baptism is an outward sign of our inward conversion brought about by our recognition and confession of sin and our need of a Savior. It all begins with faith. As for Graham's statements, he has a right to his opinion; pray for him in such a powerful position of leadership that God will empower him with Godly discretion.
Without any imput from anybody, I believe on my own discretion that Obama IS a muslim, and is leading us blind sheep to destruction if he is re-elected. God is still in control and chooses the princes and kings of this world. Therefore I rest in my faith.

@Karen - see Romans 6.
And in response to Franklin Graham, please hear Barack Obama's personal testimony of his having received Jesus as his savior at http://homebrewedtheology.com/obamas-christian-testimony-in-his-own-words.php

And then Karen, how dare you? I believe to speak as you do is actually a sin against the man.

As for Franklin Graham, I sincerely wish he would go back to his work with Samaritan's Purse and stop speaking on these issues. He is ill-prepared; if I can find Obama's testimony, why can't he? Because he doesn't want to.

And before anyone else starts to tell me he isn't a Christian because of this or that policy, let's then remember what Jesus DID say about that log in the eye. Most evangelicals would say that his personal testimony of having given his life to Jesus ought to be enough for you to at least call him a brother.

Shame on us all.

@Sue: AWESOME link, thank you!!!

Franklin Graham's comments are appallingly biased.

In regards to President Obama FG said, "I cannot answer that question for anybody." But when asked the same regarding Santorum and Gingrich he stated that they unequivocally were Christians--not even that he *thought* they were. And how was he convinced of this? "Because of how they live their lives." WHAT?! Gingrich, the serial adulterer who is clearly one of the most hateful and destructive forces American politics has ever seen, and Santorum, who has designated himself the judge of whether Obama's theology is "based on the Bible," are deemed Christians by FG, while the president, who is a doting, monogamous family man and does everything he can (which isn't much with an obstructionist congress)to help the poor, garners NO defense? INSANITY.

And just so FG never has to ask or doubt again, here is Obama giving his testimony as "Christian by choice:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOOCABMz6jg

I don't know about the faith of Santorum, Gingrich, Paul and Romney. Only God knows whether they've really committed their lives to Him.

But I do know one thing: as politicians, they don't behave in a Christian way. This is one of the 10 commandments: You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. And yet they keep calling the President a Nazi, a radical Islamist, someone who's out to destroy America, the worst president in history, etc. Their #1 campaign tactic is to foster hate against the opponent, whoever that is, whether it be one of the other candidates in the GOP primaries or the Democratic President. Does that sound Christian to you? It sure doesn't to me.

@ Dave C Very Good points.

In recent years I've watched as Franklin Graham has increased his involvement in partisan politics.I've had a problem with some of his previous political statements, but yesterday on MSNBC Mr. Graham crossed the line. In a performance I can only characterize as disgraceful, Graham refused to say that President Obama is a Christian (despite the president's professed Christian faith). He went on to state that he couldn't rule out the possibility that Obama is secretly a Muslim & that "Islam has gotten a free pass under Obama". Would that be the free pass Osama bin Laden got when President Obama authorized the mission which brought this Muslim terrorist to justice or some other "Free pass"?

With these deplorable comments Mr. Graham stepped outside his role as a religious leader & became just another petty, partisan political hack.I might expect these sort of comments from overt right wing gasbags like Ann Coulter & Rush Limbaugh, but they're inexcusable from someone in Mr.Graham's position.He knows that there's no evidence to indicate what he's suggesting has any basis in fact.And,he knows he made these statements to try & help the Republicans win back the White House this year by misleading less than informed Christian voters.

I'd been a supporter of the BGEA for years, but Franklin Graham is taking the organization in a direction I will not go.And, I feel strongly that he's hurting the cause of Christ by doing so.At a bare minimum,any leader of a Christian organization must be committed to honesty in word & deed. I don't feel Franklin Graham is living up to that standard.One thing that is obvious is that he's no Billy Graham.

As always, the issue is not whether we have "accepted Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior" (extra-biblical language, to be sure), as we might take on a personal computer, trainer, shopper, planner, etc., but rather whether we have been accepted by God. And thank goodness (and thank God!) for this grace. For this reason I have every reason to believe that God has extended his reconciling grace to everyone, and that his word will not return to him unaccomplished.

I must confess that politicians are not my favorite people and I seldom take what they say at face value. It is, perhaps,for this reason that after listening to the President's address at Harvest Cathedral I cannot say I am particularly impressed by his testimony of faith in Jesus Christ.

I really would have liked to hear more than the brief extract. The president said he was moved to "walk the aisle and get baptized". I did not hear what happened after that, and since I hardly ever give politicians the benefit of the doubt, my own personal doubt remain.

The truth is though, that no one can say with absolute certainty whether or not another' faith in Christ is genuine since there are so many factors that motivate people, especially politicians, who have to satisfy so many different interests and constituencies.

For those who are certain that President Obama is a Christian I repeat this well known question - If the president was arrested for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence in his life to convict him?

Some born-again Christians know that Obama said he had a problem with Jesus' words recorded as John 14:6, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father except by Me.

Obama believes that Muslims and others will be going to heaven. He also said he didn't know whether he would go to heaven himself. And he said he has an internal discourse, which he calls prayer. He said as well in that interview with C. Falsani that he doesn't believe in Hell. If there were no Hell, then God the Father would not have had to sacrifice His only begotten Son to save us from our sins.

Shortly before going to heaven, the esteemed Rev. D. James Kennedy closed his sermon on John 14:1-7 with this: And let me add this. If you go out of here saying you don’t like that text (John 14:6), that is your privilege. But do not call yourself a Christian. You are calling Christ a liar.

@Steve Skeete: For those who are certain that President Obama is a Christian I repeat this well known question - If the president was arrested for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence in his life to convict him?

Two points:

(1) the President is the commander-in-chief, not the pastor-in-chief

(2) please get a copy of the US Constitution and read Article VI, para. 3: no religious test for public office

6 Reasons Why Obama is NOT a Christian:

1. Obama does NOT believe John 14:6. Obama thinks that "all people of faith - Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone - know the same God." (her words)

If that is so, Jesus wasted his time coming to Earth and he certainly did not have to suffer the pain of rejection and crucifixion if there are ways to God other than through Himself.

2. Obama Denies the Authority of the Bible.

In a very cynical way, Obama twists selective scriptures to advance non-Biblical lifestyles using the golden rule to justify supporting homosexual sodomy.

Obama even invokes the Bible by applying biblical pages to his campaign's theme of political hope that actually refer to the hope Christians have in Christ. "At this moment, in this election, we must pledge once more to march into the future. Let us keep that promise, that American promise, and in the words of scripture hold firmly, without wavering, to the hope that we confess."

Obama twists the Bible in an attempt to lend credibility to his agenda, even though he denies the Bible and it's clear moral teachings. Obama is even derisive of faithful African American pastors who treat the Bible with respect. For Obama, his opinion, not the scripture, is the final authority.

3. Obama Supports Homosexuality.
Barack Obama is an unabashed supporter of special privileges for homosexuals, a stand that flies in the face of the biblical prohibition on homosexual sodomy.

"In the sermon on the mount, Jesus affirmed that every "jot and tittle" of the Bible is true, including the parts that condemn homosexuality." In the sermon on the mount, Jesus affirmed that every "jot and tittle" of the Bible is true, including the parts that condemn homosexuality. In an interview with the homosexual publication, the Advocate, Obama attacked faithful black pastors who faithfully proclaim what the Bible says about homosexuality. "Most African-American churches are still fairly traditional in the interpretations of Scripture. And so from the pulpit or in sermons you still hear homophobic attitudes expressed."

4.Obama Supports Abortion.
Throughout the history of the church, Christians have opposed abortion because they believe that life begins at conception. Abortion is as an attack on the innocent human life of a baby who is made in the image of God.

Obama recently said at a Forum hosted by Pastor Rick Warren that to know when a baby ought to have human rights it is "above his pay grade," but he is very clear that a baby can be killed anytime, even after it is born.

On four separate occasions Obama has voted against bills that prevented the killing of infants that are born alive, having survived an attempted abortion.

5.Obama Affirms Muslim Prayer

In a New York Times interview in 2007, entitled Obama, A man of the World, Obama fondly recalled the Islamic evening call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."

"Christians believe that Jesus Christ is God's True Prophet, the full and final revelation of God. No true Christian can say the Muslim call to prayer is a 'pretty sound' because it is a direct challenge to the truthfulness of Jesus Christ as the Word of God made flesh."According to the article, "Obama went on to recite its opening lines with a perfect Arabic accent: "Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! I witness that there is no god but Allah! I witness that there is no god but Allah! I witness that Muhammad is his prophet!" The article said this would "give any one living in Alabama a heart attack."

6. Obama has no real Christian testimony.
To hear Obama tell it, he just started attending Rev. Wright's church because he was told that as a community organizer he needed to be a member of some church. Somewhere along the line, he says he "accepted" Christ, but we do not hear him talk about repentance or God bringing conviction of his sin and need for a savior.

Sarah,

I have long read and love Christianity Today, but your column appalled me. While I look to Billy Graham as a hero of my faith, Franklin Graham is little more than a Christian scam artist trading on his father's name. It has been documented that he was taking six figure salaries from two different Christian agencies at the same time. He resigned from one only because of the publicity.

I am sadden by the pharisee like remarks of those who declare Obama a Muslim. He was not raised as one, but as a person to offer love and tolerance to others. If that is his crime, then Jesus is definitely guilty too. As for me, only God can judge their hearts whether any of their (including Franklin Graham's) claims to faith in Jesus Christ are real.

However, I am sadden by what is coming from the politcal mouths of the four Republican candidates and also President Obama. We in America seem doomed to be led by liars. God have mercy on us all.

I grow sick of people, especially those espousing to be Christians, who are so fast to point and scream, "Hypocrite!" at someone who makes an assessment of someone's Christian witness. If anyone, candidate, president, or Joe Blow on the street claims to be a Christian, then we look at the fruit their witness has produced...we are to become "fruit inspectors." 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 in The Message says, "I wrote you in my earlier letter that you shouldn't make yourselves at home among the sexually promiscuous. I didn't mean that you should have nothing at all to do with outsiders of that sort. Or with crooks, whether blue or white-collar. Or with spiritual phonies, for that matter. You'd have to leave the world entirely to do that! But I am saying that you shouldn't act as if everything is just fine when a friend who claims to be a Christian is promiscuous or crooked, is flip with God or rude to friends, gets drunk or becomes greedy and predatory. You can't just go along with this, treating it as acceptable behavior. I'm not responsible for what the outsiders do, but don't we have some responsibility for those within our community of believers? God decides on the outsiders, but we need to decide when our brothers and sisters are out of line and, if necessary, clean house." So if anyone claims to be a Christian (a brother or sister) we are called to judge his or her fruit. Obama's doesn't stand up, while Santorum's does. And I really have a hard time believing that baby killing abortion proponents can be Christian.

Graham was clearly being pressed by a persistent reporter who wanted (and got!) controversial soundbites. A wiser response probably would have been the initial, "I can't speak for anyone else, period," and then a firm, "No comment," to the follow-ups.

Those who are so quick to condemn Obama's religious statements need to reflect on how this looks to those outside the church. It looks as if we are rallying with pitchforks against anyone who doesn't share our specific worldview. Calling him a Muslim or a non-believer when he has chosen to identify as a Christian is an ad hominem attack, and that will always come back to bite us. Better to tackle specific policy issues and leave the personal attacks alone.

I know some of you won't agree, but think about this: When we openly proclaim the gospel (our job), it is up to the Holy Spirit to apply it to the individual (God's job - John 16). It is not up to us to point angry fingers.

To be specific, my objection here is not about whether or not President Obama is a Christian, but whether or not Franklin Graham is giving false testimony about him. President Obama has said quite a bit about his Christian testimony, his relationship with God, his repentance and faith in Jesus as savior. If someone doesn't believe that, or they don't like his "fruit," or they think his testimony is lacking some essential part, well, that can be argued.
But Franklin Graham said...and goes on saying...and has said over and over, that Obama's only testimony is that he is a Christian because he goes to church. That's just not true, and Franklin Graham as a public figure ought to amend that. But I think he won't, because he is on a campaign to convince Christians that Obama isn't "one of us." That's a bad thing.

Believe me, I don't know a single Christian who believes that obama is a Christian, and you can read the posts above to see exactly why. Franklin Graham is not swaying anyone, we all strongly believe that Obama does everything in his power to hurt Christianty and support islam. Someone who does practically nothing else during his administration except to support homosexuality and abortions, both here, and throughout the world, who often speaks of the "holy qaran", who was listed as a muslim student while studying in Indonesia, tells us plainly he is not a Christian. What a joke that someone actually said he has Congress working against him. The Tea Party formed because people were upset and angry that the republicans are all rinos (republicans in name only). The republicans are not constantly working against obama as he so much likes to say. If he isn't blaming Bush, then he'll blame the republicans, a far cry from Harry Truman who said "The buck stops here". Obama doesn't care if Congress OR the Supreme Court rule against him, he just does things by executive fiat (it's called being a dictator). He doesn't believe Jesus is the only way, in fact the most he'd probably say is that Jesus is a good role model. So, please don't worry that Franklin is swaying anyone, we can all tell by watching obama for ourselves.

Obama has said & done things that cast doubt on any possible Christian faith. He's omitted "God" from common sayings. He generally stayed away from 'church' until he reluctantly joined Jeremiah Wright's congregation...and remained in attendance there for 20 years. Wright's brand of "christianity" is 'collective salvation' and 'black liberation theology.' It's marxism for black people. And then Obama had to distance himself from Wright, so he took another 'liberation theology' and 'social justice' champion as his "spiritual advisor." Obama has strong muslim sympathies, and was raised by marxist anti-colonialists. That is who the man is. His faith is in the power of government to redistriute wealth AWAY from christian centers and TOWARD secular and islamic centers. He has consistently done this, while in office. ...while lowering the status of Christian organizations, and raising the status of Islamic ones.

Just to add, that the first Anne and the second are not the same person.

Hmmm ... What was it Martin Luther said? Something about preferring being ruled by a competent Saracen than an incompetent Christian.

But, of course, he didn't really mean, couldn't really have meant that!

This is all out of context. I watched the interview. Graham was very careful to say that he was not judging anyone. He said very positive things about Obama and his whole family. He also said positive things about Romney, how much he liked him, and how Romney would make a good candidate and even president. He just couldn't speak to whether there was a time where Obama gave his life to Christ. As to Romney, Franklin only said the basic truth that Mormonism is not in the same category as other denominations that are rooted in historic Christian faith, which is what most people mean when they call a group "Christian." The biases of the interviewers was obvious and sickening. They did not respond to Franklin's positive comments and twisted the ones mentioned in the article as if Franklin was bashing Obama and Romney. He very, clearly was not, when you watch the whole interview in context. I like watching Morning Joe, but when they do stuff like this they should be shamed from large numbers of negative comments about their bias and people switching the TV off or changing the channel, as I did. Unfortunately, based on most of the comments here, many just accept without critical examination.

Just as proof of my other comments above. Notice that Franklin says 4 or 5 times in the video, " I accept what Obama says when he says that he is a Christian" and "I won't say that he is not a Christian" and still the reporters responded with, "I don't understand why you can't just say that he is a Christian." Franklin Graham clearly states that he does NOT think that Obama is muslim, yet he is asked right after, "So you don't think he's a muslim?" Also, watch the eye rolls of the others at table and their body language. Very unprofessional. They were not being journalists during the interview; they were only hearing what they wanted to hear. I do wish this article on the Christianity Today website would have pointed out the obvious and added a little journalism where MSNBC's was clearly lacking.

Until you have read both of President Obama's books, seen and listened to ALL his public statements on Christian faith (such as at this year's National Prayer Breakfast and last year during Holy Week), and until you have heard online or read right here in the 'Christianity Today' archives a very old and classic sermon by Jeremiah Wright, one given long before I suspect he began to develop what may well be a form of dementia causing distortions in personality -- a sermon entitled 'the Audacity of Hope'(check it out yourself), you really cannot assess with full intelligence and fairness the authenticity of the President's faith. The closed bigoted mind will of course care nothing about the books, the public statements, the sermon, etc. But if there are still sincere questions, then I believe that anyone with enough of the Mind of Christ would at the very least be willing to read and/or listen.

Some of us wonder about the president and his sealed records from birth, through school, through college, health records, social security number(s), tax records, you name it, it's sealed. Why does someone hide things if they have NOTHING to hide? We can learn things by what is kept hidden as well as the racism, etc that is exposed in his books. If you don't think it's racist, imagine a white Republican saying the reverse. It's unimaginable in this day and age at the presidential level. The fact that it doesn't trouble people says we DO have a long way to go, and racism is definitely a two-way street.

Yes, let's see what we can learn from Barack Hussein Obama's books:
From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

>From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

>From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about her that made me wary, a little too sure of herself, maybe and white..

>From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'


>From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself: the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'


And FINALLY (and most scary for our country, where the prez is in big denial about who the real terrorists are)

>From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'



This is my last post. Honest! But I was curious as to what comment would come after mine (knowing it would not necessarily be from someone who read mine).

I just find it interesting that Franklin Graham in no way judged Obama. Velma's comment says, "you really cannot assess.." Which is exactly what Franklin said on MSNBC. He said that he could only go by what Obama says, yet Velma, a person making essentially the same statement, goes on to characterize Franklin of a "closed bigoted mind". Apparently, no one, not the so-called journalists, nor most of the commentators care to watch or listen to what Franklin Graham actually says.

Maybe Franklin is guilty of these charges, but not from any evidence here on this article or in the comments on this page. Rather the reverse. He made kind, friendly, uplifting statements and is being attacked here for what his interviewers read into his comments. I don't think Franklin is perfect, from what he said, neither does he--Note, the only person he called a sinner, was himself. It seems the media and bloggers want to put words into people's mouths and debate themselves. It's just pathetic, dishonest and lazy.

Pastor Aaron, again: my particular beef is that he repeated the story that the only thing Obama can say in support of his Christianity is that he goes to church. That's not true, and I believe Franklin Graham knows it. But it gets repeated, because he is shilling for a particular party - in my opinion. And that's why the interviewers were taking him to task.

I have a preference for a party, too - but in circumstances where I am speaking for the church, or Christianity in general, I don't represent it. FG's father did the same. I wish FG would take up the same practice - or stop being interviewed.

To Klamb:

Did you read BOTH books from cover to cover. From what I can see, you have simply listed quotes taken grossly out of context.

Please do us a favor then and let's see how the context can explain those comments Velma. Heaven forbid obama should have any fault at all for those racist comments and support of muslims in these perilous times when Christians are being slaughtered around the world by muslims, but this president and the media are silent about it. Where is the rage for the Christian pastor in Iran who just had his execution date set? Where is the rage for the Christians in the Sudan and in Nigeria and in so many other countries? What is obama doing to help Christians around the world? He is quick to help those who want to abort babies around the world. He was going to deny Kenya federal aid until they agreed to his abortion deals. Dirty hands from the blood of babies, and nothing but silence for the Christians being killed by his beloved muslims. THIS kind of thing is exactly why most thinking Bible believing Christians doubt his faith. Kills the innocent, and silence to protect when Christians are being slaughtered around the world. We SEE what his actions are.

Judge not, lest ye be judged! Christ came not into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved! Franklin Graham needs to learn from his father that you first preach the love of God through Jesus Christ. It is not for Mr. Graham or anyone else to judge what is in one's heart.

Correction: You can only find the association with CT of Jeremiah Wright's 1990 sermon, 'The Audacity of Hope' on YouTube. There is where it is introduced in connection with 'Christianity Today'.

@Anne #2. "Believe me, I don't know a single Christian who believes that Obama is a Christian" Maybe because your friends are exactly like you and think like you? I'm a Christian that believes Obama is a Christian. The tea party doesn't equal Christian. Jesus is our master not a right wing political party. In fact it stands against the very things Jesus wanted us to do as Christian. Stop putting your faith into the political powers of this world, they won't save you, America or its citizens.

I am a Christian. I am a Canadian. I think your president demonstrates the gospel on a regular basis. Franklin Graham is a prisoner of his own beliefs and thus can't see the beauty of a man such as President Obama. When Jesus said, "Forgive them for they know not what they do" he was, among others, thinking of Franklin.

It is apparent when you judge whether a person is righteous or unrighteous, by the fruit they bear in their life. Mr. Barry Soetoro; Alias, Barrack Obama, is a Muslim, marxist undercover. The so-called church he went to was not a full-gospel Jesus following ,church, it is a group of black theology cult followers,much akin to ayrian version Ku Klux . A Jesus follower does not portend the pagan call to prayer as the most beautiful sound on earth, nor would one bow to a Saudi muslim king. All one need do is hear the words and view the life and you will know that there are many who act morally but are the same ones Christ tells "depart I never knew you." Nothing the current president says can be beleived. Unfortunately this U.S. will be finished after 2012, one way or another, only what is done for Christ will last, focus on Him.

To k tra: Apparently, I think you miss the point of Matthew 25: 31-45.

Frankly, I think Obama is a charleton and a liar and probably a Muslim.
Period.

What is even more appalling about Mr. Graham, is that he's not saying a word about Mitt Romney and his attachment to the cult of Mormanism. Where is the outcry over that?? No one is taking this to task. Hypocritical indeed.

I had given to Samaritan's Purse for years but when Franklin Graham said what he did, I wrote them and told them to stop sending me anything more. I will have to rethink this and decide if I can now believe what he is saying or if it was just for appeasement. In any case, he damaged his organization and Christians.

The truth is Jesus was not political and never urged for a political movement, Christianity is a personal relationship with God via the grace that came through Jesus Christ. Granted the Jews were a lower class, actually not even considered citizens, but Jesus and the apostles brought Romans, even powerful Romans, into Christianity and nowhere are these Romans urged to use their political platforms to bring about social change. The truth is trying to legislate your morals onto others based on your religion alienates those you are trying to control and in fact makes them react negatively to you. In my opinion the greatest success of the enemy in giving people a negative impression about Christianity, a religion based on loving your neighbor as yourself which is so not distasteful, is the evangelical political movement. Our duty as Christians is to spread the good news of Gods love, not to condemn and try to legislate our personally held beliefs on others. The Pharisees wanted their Messiah to be political, and those are the people Jesus called white washed tombs, because this is about changing the hearts of men not controlling them with legislation.

First all Christians must come to a realization that there will never be Christian America! Was there times in the life and history of this nation where sound orthodoc Faith flourished? Yes there was and even during those times there was great unbelief in this nation. But to say that we should not have something to say about the moral corruption in this nation is a great mistake! I do not mean too say that we should cast off our primary obligation to preach the gospel as the great endeavor of our lives and make plitical reformation something of equal improtance. No quite the contrary. However we can not be silent to the prevalent evil taking place all around us. Why should we not take a world and life view that is superior to whatever man can devise and be content? There are only two alternatives either man is supreme or God and his laws are? Christians have every right to argue for their positions whether or not society is willing to recognize God or not! Every moral philosophy must make an appeal to some authority in order to convince us regarding its rightness or wrongness. Should we care that some political party takes into its ranks warmly god-hating Atheists who wish to criminalize certain Christian beliefs? Should we not desire Government Officials who wish to eliminate planned parenthood from receiving funds which inturn promote murder, fornication and intrude into the rights and perogatives of parents? Can we with good conscience ignore what is going on in a great many of our schools which have become institutions for wickedness and the indoctrination of a godless secularism? Do we enjoy letting the state convince society that we are nothing but inexplicable bio matter no better or worsr than animals or a blade of grass?When in San Francisco children are taken out of school without the knowledge let alone the permission of Parents and taken to observe a sodomite marriage we should just pray and show how much we love them? I think not! It is our sacred duty insofar as we have a voice in our governmnet to do as much as we can and at least curtail this evil. That means asking your elected officials where they stand on nthese issues. This my friends is an act of love! Love for the souls of men,women and children. Again I ask when a college Professor is terminated or denied tenour because he or she had the audacity to proclaim the unscientific nature of evolution and its manifold problems that we should ignore the wickedness of that not too mention its clear unconstitutionality? How many Christians even care that this sort of systematic persecution goes on in academia every day.Have you chalenged your congreesman or Senator to take action or at least bother to investigate? Can I ignore a President that thiks the bible is something to mock and riddicule except when it serves his own political purpose? Should we not grieve when a city is sued under the false pretense of racism that is implied to exist in an exam that has nothing to do with race at all? Shouls we not display some form of righteous anger when we see those accuse people of being racist simply because they have exercised their right to protest the policies of a President with whom they do not agree?Bearing false witness is not an act of evil? So how can we be consistent with the word of God and be complascent with respect to this kind of wickedness? We have the time to engage our culture in this capacity while making Christ and his gospel our priority! There is no conflict other than the cowardice, ignorance and disbelief that seems to be rampant in the church today. To love God and your neighbor requires that we participate in the political affairs of this nation in some measure. Heaven is characterized by righteousness! Paul said that in the gospel we have the righteous of God revealed therin. Also the righteousnes I speak of his that which is defined by our infallable God not Stephen Carter or Tony Campolo! I trenble to think just how much humanistic nonsense goes on in cuttent Christian thinking. The Bible says that those who will not work should not eat" yet we are supposed to believe that the state has an obligation to aid those who refuse to do anything to help and improve themselves. Somehow being poor is an excuse to remain morally and vocationaly impotent. There are those who need help not as a right but as an act of benevolence and who can compell man to consider this form of altruism better than a Christian? At the same token their are people who do not deserve such help once it is observed that they prey on the benevolence of our society like thieves who will not even offer to render some service for the kindness received. I know many like this. When we see college athletes tattoed up and down their arme and necks while supposedly from impoverished conditions who are now given the opportunity to obtain an education for free and whom for the most part remain just as ignorant, ilitterate and immoral they were when first arriving. This partnership that exists with the full approval of both student and school should cause us to lament the base condition that is now our America. I am driven to say with John as I contemplate this brand of apostasy even so come Lord Jesus!